Steve Smith's Unflinching Average - A Statistical Rebuke to the Inflated Records of 2000s Legends.

[capt_Luffy]

Wrong Sutcliffe.

Lol, just noticed dude's batting lefty!

 

[the big bambino]

Pretty sure its kiwi Bert Sutcliffe.

 

[ataraxia]

Wrong Sutcliffe.

*Sutclife

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Chanderpaul is just one instance. So does Allan Border btw, RPI of 44. No one has ever said Average is an absolutely perfect measure, just that RPI is clearly worse. If someone is staying not out that often, either they are hiding and playing for their no.s (like Chanderpaul, but really nowhere that common) or they just aren't getting out and getting a chance to complete an innings where they could have scored more runs. Some batting at 50* has a really high likelihood of scoring more than 51. Punishing them for not getting to finish imo is not right.

In long enough careers in the case or someone like Chanderpaul, the best way to find out what his likely scores would've been would be to ignore the not out innings and find the average of the rest. And with his career being so long it'll give a better reflection of the runs he was really worth.

 

[ataraxia]

In long enough careers in the case or someone like Chanderpaul, the best way to find out what his likely scores would've been would be to ignore the not out innings and find the average of the rest. And with his career being so long it'll give a better reflection of the runs he was really worth.

Ignoring a whole lot of innings that he scored runs in and didn't get out once is a surefire way to misrepresent his skill.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Ignoring a whole lot of innings that he scored runs in and didn't get out once is a surefire way to misrepresent his skill.

It isn't, it's the best way to get an idea of what he'd likely score with or without not outs. Unless you think his average of 51 is fair and someone like Kohli with 46 is as well.

 

[ataraxia]

It isn't, it's the best way to get an idea of what he'd likely score with or without not outs. Unless you think his average of 51 is fair and someone like Kohli with 46 is as well.

What he'd likely score without not outs, if each innings was played to its completion, is the score he was on plus his expected runs from that point on. Given that he's likely already survived the hardest part of his innings, that expected runs value will be higher than his average. Therefore, from that standpoint, all his not outs actually nerfed his average and Kohli's paucity of not outs boosted his.

 

[mailadobe49]

Statistical Anomaly - The Undisputed 2nd Goat, Steve Smith's Unrivaled Batting Consistency Since the Bradman Epoch

 

[Victor Ian]

That Smith had such a high average and then has proceeded into nosedive where he is just hanging on above 55 is kind of the opposite of being consistent? (even though it's still pretty good)

We need to see the hump graph for consistency.

 

[ataraxia]

I hope Smith finishes with a lower average than Williamson.

 

[Victor Ian]

I hope Smith finishes with a lower average than Williamson.

He's on his way - but the other thread has fairly established that Williamson is a fraud.

 

[Majestic]

Steve Smith is a beast of next level. Phenomenal test batsman and arguably best since Bradman.

 

[Migara]

Already gone below Sanga unless he gets another purple patch.

 

[govinda indian fan]

Already gone below Sanga unless he gets another purple patch.

Smith>>>sanga

 

[ankitj]

Steve Smith is a beast of next level. Phenomenal test batsman and arguably best since Bradman.

Seeing Smith strengthens my belief that Bradman never existed. I mean how can anyone be better than Smith?

 

[Thala_0710]

Seeing Smith strengthens my belief that Bradman never existed. I mean how can anyone be better than Smith?

They're have been about 5...but yeah he's up there

 

[Coronis]

Seeing Smith strengthens my belief that Bradman never existed. I mean how can anyone be better than Smith?

Let us have our depression fantasy

 

[Migara]

Smith>>>sanga

Sanga as a pure batsman is Steve smith at his peak. Let that sink in.

 

[Victor Ian]

I'm torn on Sanga. Absolute beast against minnows where Smith is a total fail. Great batsman should be able to may hay while the sun shines and Sanga sure was ruthless against the children.

But we all know that everyone is torn down or raised in status based on how they do in India and Sanga let himself down there. He never got the chance to redeem himself with In Australia stats because he only got to face second rate attacks there. That is not his fault. At home against Australia he is amazingly tepid. But he was very young. That's probably where he got the resolve to minnow bash so well.

 

[Coronis]

Great batsman should be able to may hay while the sun shines and Sanga sure was ruthless against the children.

Great point imo. Hopefully Smith’s still around when we next play Bangladesh.