Steve Smith's Unflinching Average - A Statistical Rebuke to the Inflated Records of 2000s Legends.

[capt_Luffy]

Wrong Sutcliffe.

Lol, just noticed dude's batting lefty!

 

[the big bambino]

Pretty sure its kiwi Bert Sutcliffe.

 

[ataraxia]

Wrong Sutcliffe.

*Sutclife

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Chanderpaul is just one instance. So does Allan Border btw, RPI of 44. No one has ever said Average is an absolutely perfect measure, just that RPI is clearly worse. If someone is staying not out that often, either they are hiding and playing for their no.s (like Chanderpaul, but really nowhere that common) or they just aren't getting out and getting a chance to complete an innings where they could have scored more runs. Some batting at 50* has a really high likelihood of scoring more than 51. Punishing them for not getting to finish imo is not right.

In long enough careers in the case or someone like Chanderpaul, the best way to find out what his likely scores would've been would be to ignore the not out innings and find the average of the rest. And with his career being so long it'll give a better reflection of the runs he was really worth.

 

[ataraxia]

In long enough careers in the case or someone like Chanderpaul, the best way to find out what his likely scores would've been would be to ignore the not out innings and find the average of the rest. And with his career being so long it'll give a better reflection of the runs he was really worth.

Ignoring a whole lot of innings that he scored runs in and didn't get out once is a surefire way to misrepresent his skill.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Ignoring a whole lot of innings that he scored runs in and didn't get out once is a surefire way to misrepresent his skill.

It isn't, it's the best way to get an idea of what he'd likely score with or without not outs. Unless you think his average of 51 is fair and someone like Kohli with 46 is as well.

 

[ataraxia]

It isn't, it's the best way to get an idea of what he'd likely score with or without not outs. Unless you think his average of 51 is fair and someone like Kohli with 46 is as well.

What he'd likely score without not outs, if each innings was played to its completion, is the score he was on plus his expected runs from that point on. Given that he's likely already survived the hardest part of his innings, that expected runs value will be higher than his average. Therefore, from that standpoint, all his not outs actually nerfed his average and Kohli's paucity of not outs boosted his.