Joel Garner vs Michael Holding

[subshakerz]

You are making a strawman here that he will average 25 over those games. Warne averages 25+.

Warne is a spinner and gets special treatment.

Actually the strawman was being made by Johan that Holding would take 50 more wickets at the same rate. I merely responded with the obvious caveat.

 

[h_hurricane]

What if those last 50 wickets took his average north of 25?

If Garner (who you massively under-rate) averages 30 for 41 wickets, he will end up with 300 @ 22. Similarly if Bumrah averages 30 for 81 wickets, he will end up with 300 @ 22.

May be it is just that those are ATG and Holding isn't.

 

[subshakerz]

If Garner (who you massively under-rate) averages 30 for 41 wickets, he will end up with 300 @ 22. Similarly if Bumrah averages 30 for 81 wickets, he will end up with 300 @ 22.

May be it is just that those are ATG and Holding isn't.

But I want ATG to be for those who actually achieved those benchmarks.

 

[capt_Luffy]

But I want ATG to be for those who actually achieved those benchmarks.

300 is just an arbitrary cut off you are deadset on

 

[capt_Luffy]

Warne is a spinner and gets special treatment.

Actually the strawman was being made by Johan that Holding would take 50 more wickets at the same rate. I merely responded with the obvious caveat.

There is also an equally high if not higher likelihood that he achieves them at an average lower than his career

 

[subshakerz]

300 is just an arbitrary cut off you are deadset on

We all have our cutoffs whether we admit or not.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

We all have our cutoffs whether we admit or not.

What’s your cutoff for ATG batsmen?

 

[capt_Luffy]

We all have our cutoffs whether we admit or not.

Ofc. The problem is with being a hardliner with it. Like no bowler except Warne is considered ATG to avg 25+, including spinners.

 

[subshakerz]

There is also an equally high if not higher likelihood that he achieves them at an average lower than his career

Not sure. Late career dips are common

 

[capt_Luffy]

Not sure. Late career dips are common

Holding didn't had one though. His average on the contrary is high due to early struggles

 

[subshakerz]

What’s your cutoff for ATG batsmen?

Somewhere around 12/13 years and well over a 100 tests for modern bats.

 

[subshakerz]

Holding didn't had one though. His average on the contrary is high due to early struggles

That's no guarantee that he wouldn't have them when virtually all pure pace bowlers experience it the last couple years

 

[capt_Luffy]

That's no guarantee that he wouldn't have them when virtually all pure pace bowlers experience it the last couple years

Lillee didn't. There's certainly no guarantee he will as well. 50 @23, his career average, seems very reasonable to me

 

[Line and Length]

"Whispering Death" marginally ahead of "Big Bird" for me.

 

[Thala_0710]

"Whispering Death" marginally ahead of "Big Bird" for me.

Whispering Death has to be the coolest cricketing nickname ever

 

[capt_Luffy]

Whispering Death has to be the coolest cricketing nickname ever

White lightening 2nd?

 

[Thala_0710]

White lightening 2nd?

Yup that's up there... The Demon is pretty simple yet badass

 

[Prince EWS]

Whispering Death has to be the coolest cricketing nickname ever

Monde "All Hands" Zondeki was the cleverest but yeah that's the different category to coolest.

 

[subshakerz]

Lillee didn't. There's certainly no guarantee he will as well. 50 @23, his career average, seems very reasonable to me

Yeah but as you said no guarantee either way.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yeah but as you said no guarantee either way.

Exactly, so it's strange to think he might and rate him as if he did