DrWolverine
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This is true. TBH Garner was seen as less than Marshall, Holding and even Roberts till the 2000s.
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Joel Garner vs Michael Holding
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subshakerz
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I can't recall but I don't think Lillee ranked him in his top five pacers of the era.
DrWolverine
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Let me guess.
Marshall. Roberts. Holding. Hadlee. Imran.
Why do you keep thinking Marshall was rated pre-1984?
DrWolverine
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For some reason I think they are from the same era.
Marshall was nothing special in Lillee's era. Up until 1983 Marshall had only played 12 tests in 4 years and was more of a fill-in bowler when someone was injured. He took 34 wkts @ 31.88 in those 12 tests (2.8 wpm)
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subshakerz
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No Roberts was first. Marshall hadn't come up yet at the time of the book.
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Holding needs more love on CW.
Johan
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Lillee ranked
1. Andy Roberts
2. John Snow
3. Jeff Thomson (lol)
4. Michael Holding
5. Imran Khan
subshakerz
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Yeah. Hence why I think Garner gets rated more here than in actual cricket.
Johan
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To be fair, the list was made before 1984.
sayon basak
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That's no slight on Holding. He is pound for pound ATG quality. Just a sample size issue. If he had 50 more wickets I would put him in the top 5/6 maybe.
capt_Luffy
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If 50 wickets pushes him from top 5/6 to not ATG, I think the issue lies much more with you
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What if those last 50 wickets took his average north of 25?
capt_Luffy
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Silly argument without a base.
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Why? This has happened to countless bowlers dipping end career and he already averages around 24.
capt_Luffy
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Because just average without the surrounding scenario isn't relevant
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It is but let's be serious if he averages over 25 I wont out him in the top 5/6.
capt_Luffy
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You are making a strawman here that he will average 25 over those games. Warne averages 25+.