All-Time World XIs: Discussion Thread

[subshakerz]

Can't believe people here actually believe sanga will only average 40 as keeper batting 6 lmao. Just hilarious really.How hard it's to understand his batting average as keeper is affected by batting position? I'm 100% sure in a long career batting 6 as keeper, he will average 50+. We have eyes ffs.

Sanga said it himself

 

[OverratedSanity]

Look, Sanga is an ATG Test batter, but as a wicketkeeper-batter, he’s on a similar level to Walcott. Walcott batted in the middle order, which suits this XI better, and Sanga’s record outside No. 3 isn’t that great. Their keeping isn’t miles apart either because Walcott kept to Ramadhin and Valentine in stickies. So Walcott fits this XI more naturally. And why reduce Sanga’s output by making him keep and bat lower when he delivers elite performances at the top of the order? The best way to maximise his world-class batting is to play him as a specialist top-order batter in another XI.

The point is to maximize the quality of the XI, not maximize Sanga's output. If people think Sanga at 6 as keeper makes the team stronger then so be it.

 

[sayon basak]

Can't believe people here actually believe sanga will only average 40 as keeper batting 6 lmao. Just hilarious really.How hard it's to understand his batting average as keeper is affected by batting position? I'm 100% sure in a long career batting 6 as keeper, he will average 50+. We have eyes ffs.

Exactly.

 

[Al Salvador]

Sanga said it himself

It's such a common sense man, keeping and batting 3 is way tougher than batting 6 and keeping. He would have quite easily average 50+ over a long career as keeper batting at 5/6.

 

[Thala_0710]

If he was that good, he should have been voted in ahead of Gilly and should be seen as a better player than Hobbs, Tendulkar, McGrath, Murali etc

 

[Johan]

If he was that good, he should have been voted in ahead of Gilly and should be seen as a better player than Hobbs, Tendulkar, McGrath, Murali etc

can't rate someone better on a hypothetical, otherwise Walcott>Viv

 

[capt_Luffy]

If he was that good, he should have been voted in ahead of Gilly and should be seen as a better player than Hobbs, Tendulkar, McGrath, Murali etc

Well, Sangakkara vs Kallis was a draw and pretty much sure many rate Kallis higher than anyone you mentioned. As for World XI, I do used to have him there, when I had 5 man+ Sobers attack, but Gilly is just more proven down the order, kept more and was better to pace.

 

[Bolo.]

It's such a common sense man, keeping and batting 3 is way tougher than batting 6 and keeping. He would have quite easily average 50+ over a long career as keeper batting at 5/6.

The long career is more of a concern. I'm not completely backing any of the part time keepers for long careers with heavy batting and keeping loads.

 

[Thala_0710]

Well, Sangakkara vs Kallis was a draw and pretty much sure many rate Kallis higher than anyone you mentioned. As for World XI, I do used to have him there, when I had 5 man+ Sobers attack, but Gilly is just more proven down the order, kept more and was better to pace.

I don't think I've seen anyone make the case for Sanga being better than these guys tbh (bar Migara)... Sanga over Murali... Seriously??

 

[Johan]

I think De Villiers could've averaged 50+ while keeping, does that mean he's better than Sachin as a Cricketer?

 

[capt_Luffy]

I don't think I've seen anyone make the case for Sanga being better than these guys tbh (bar Migara)... Sanga over Murali... Seriously??

Not Murali, but there was a thread where he went neck and neck with Kallis.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I think De Villiers could've averaged 50+ while keeping, does that mean he's better than Sachin as a Cricketer?

I mean, he infact did, for 24 Tests.

 

[Johan]

I mean, he infact did, for 24 Tests.

Yeah, he's not better than Root for that, batsmen like Sangakkara just give up the gloves when they are hitting their natting peaks, I can't think of a single scenario in which Sangakkara keeps the gloves his entire career.

 

[Thala_0710]

I think De Villiers could've averaged 50+ while keeping, does that mean he's better than Sachin as a Cricketer?

He barely avged 50 in his actual career... Plus Sanga's a better bat and keeper anyway... And if you actually think he's that good a keeper and bat, and if he would do that for throughout his career, as is being made out here, then you should be making that argument

 

[Johan]

He barely avged 50 in his actual career... Plus Sanga's a better bat and keeper anyway... And if you actually think he's that good a keeper and bat, as is being made out here, then you should be making that argument

point is we can't rate them on hypotheticals, not Sangakkara, not Walcott, not De Villiers.

 

[Thala_0710]

point is we can't rate them on hypotheticals, not Sangakkara, not Walcott, not De Villiers.

Then you can't vote them into teams either based on the same hypotheticals

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yeah, he's not better than Root for that, batsmen like Sangakkara just give up the gloves when they are hitting their natting peaks, I can't think of a single scenario in which Sangakkara keeps the gloves his entire career.

Tbf without PJ, Sanga keeping his whole career isn't totally unlikely. Did so in ODIs

point is we can't rate them on hypotheticals, not Sangakkara, not Walcott, not De Villiers.

We rate players on hypotheticals all the time.

 

[Johan]

Then you can't vote them into teams either based on the same hypotheticals

True, let's vote Pant.

 

[capt_Luffy]

True, let's vote Pant.

Sangakkara kept in more matches than Pant

 

[Thala_0710]

True, let's vote Pant.

How did you go from there to here