All-Time World XIs: Discussion Thread

[capt_Luffy]

Nahh, I want the proper great full time keeper (or close to that level, and can'l bat as well...) For the 4th team, I can go Sanga no issues

Bro Sanga makes the 4th team as a batsman....

 

[Thala_0710]

Kept for more matches and averaged more while keeping.

Ames avgs 43.4 while keeping, Sanga avgs 40.5

 

[Bolo.]

Barnes just doesn't have the test record for me. There is a reason I'm not voting Grace (or in an arguably more comparable way, Pollock/Headley).

I was asking pacers before this vote. He hasn't voted yet

Imran and Miller was my only vote in R1. Was busy for R2, and I don't really care about which of Kallis or Miller gets in on this round. Imran is in already.

 

[Thala_0710]

Ames wasn't a "great keeper".

Close to that level imo

 

[capt_Luffy]

Ames avgs 43.4 while keeping, Sanga avgs 40.5

Oh he averages lower without the gloves, what a bum

 

[sayon basak]

Close to that level imo

He is much closer to Sanga than to the Elite tier.

 

[Thala_0710]

Oh he averages lower without the gloves, what a bum

Yeah in the 3 matches he didn't keep, you know out of 47

 

[Thala_0710]

He is much closer to Sanga than to the Elite tier.

I respectfully disagree

 

[subshakerz]

Barnes just doesn't have the test record for me. There is a reason I'm not voting Grace (or in an arguably more comparable way, Pollock/Headley).

Imran and Miller was my only vote in R1. Was busy for R2, and I don't really care about which of Kallis or Miller gets in on this round. Imran is in already.

Why not just do the same vote again? The race is tight.

This is sort of the issue I have with these votes. There can be a drop off in second rounds.

 

[subshakerz]

I respectfully disagree

How good was Ames with the gloves?

 

[sayon basak]

I respectfully disagree

You are objectively wrong, but I'm not surprised.

 

[Johan]

Bro Sanga makes the 4th team as a batsman....

Root > Sangakkara as a batsman.

 

[capt_Luffy]

How good was Ames with the gloves?

I think he was average for his Era, which is pretty good by today's standards but not exceptional like an Oldfield, Cameron or Duckworth

 

[capt_Luffy]

Root > Sangakkara as a batsman.

Bro if you guys aren't considering his runs without gloves for wk, you also shan't those with gloves for as pure batter which pushes his average to 65

 

[sayon basak]

I think he was average for his Era, which is pretty good by today's standards but not exceptional like an Oldfield, Cameron or Duckworth

Oldfield and Cameron were tiers above, Duckworth too probably.

 

[sayon basak]

Bro if you guys aren't considering his runs without gloves for wk, you also shan't those with gloves for as pure batter which pushes his average to 65

But the thing is, they won't. People like to believe what they want to believe.

 

[Bolo.]

Why not just do the same vote again? The race is tight.

This is sort of the issue I have with these votes. There can be a drop off in second rounds.

Because I'm not sure that it's the right pick anymore, now that other places are locked in. Hammond and Kallis sharing the 5th sounds very good to me, and the tail below Imran is very weak.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Oldfield and Cameron were tiers above, Duckworth too probably.

All 3 similar glovesmen

 

[Thala_0710]

How good was Ames with the gloves?

I reckon he's close to the elite tier, his batting (like Gilly) sometimes leads to his keeping getting underestimated imo. He holds records in the county championships to this day, including most stumpings and most dismissals (in separate seasons).
"The wonderful record of A. P. Freeman, who taking 304 wickets in the season, beat the record of the late Tom Richardson, was helped materially by Ames' work behind the wicket. Ames took Freeman very well indeed. It has been said of him that he makes wicket-keeping look easy, which appears to be true; it is the greatest compliment which can be paid to a wicket-keeper."

 

[Thala_0710]

You are objectively wrong, but I'm not surprised.

If my social media identity was hanging by a thread, I wouldn't talk like this