Allan Knott vs Ben Stokes

[capt_Luffy]

What? So like by that logic is Wiann Mulder the same speed as Dennis Lillee?

Stokes faster than Snow and Webster than Thomson

 

[sayon basak]

Not supporting Knott here, but wouldn’t that change occur even if Knott hadn’t stood back, since the medium pacers of 1970s were like the quicks of the 1930s (bar Larwood)

Umm what?

 

[Cricket Bliss]

I don't agree with this bowling speed accessment in the slightest.

Jack Fingelton said Larwood was twice as quick as anyone out there. He was regarded as the quickest bowler ever to breathe on those days even quicker than Gregory.
Although google suggest 154 kph… some studies say he might be between 137-147. Lets give a shot at 140-150, although Larwood denied he bowled at 90mph.
So based on that the other fast bowlers should be in their 130s at best. A fast medium of the 1970s have to be in atleast 120s.

 

[Cricket Bliss]

What? So like by that logic is Wiann Mulder the same speed as Dennis Lillee?

there isn’t much change in cricket from the 70s till today like it was from the 30s to the 70s.

 

[Johan]

Although Larwood denied he bowled at 90mph.

source?

 

[Johan]

there isn’t much change in cricket from the 70s till today like it was from the 30s to the 70s.

Evidence? all relevant changes came from 70s to now, WSC, shorter formats, more earning due to shorter formats, rise of Subcontinental Cricket, BCCI etc, pretty static from 30s to 70s

 

[Cricket Bliss]

source?

 

[Coronis]

Jack Fingelton said Larwood was twice as quick as anyone out there.

Oh well if Jack Fingleton said it, its settled. Guess the other pacers were bowling slower than Jadeja does nowadays.

 

[Cricket Bliss]

Evidence? all relevant changes came from 70s to now, WSC, shorter formats, more earning due to shorter formats, rise of Subcontinental Cricket, BCCI etc, pretty static from 30s to 70s

see the batting techniques. Today’s batsmen could relate more to the 1970s than the technique of 30s looks ancient to the 1970s. Even bowling actions.

All the relevant changes happened in the 70s. Shorter formats, floodlights and all. Still we have an updated version of the 70s. 30s were different

 

[Cricket Bliss]

Oh well if Jack Fingleton said it, its settled. Guess the other pacers were bowling slower than Jadeja does nowadays.

Guess you couldn’t afford the vocabulary to read the second sentence.

 

[Coronis]

Guess you couldn’t afford the vocabulary to read the second sentence.

That he was regarded as quickest of his era…. no ****. That doesn’t make everyone else in his era a medium pacer.

 

[Johan]

Dude this is clearly a young Larwood and he mentions Frank Foster who died in 1958, He won't have the slightest idea how fast he bowled, this is likely from 1930s when nobody knew how fast bowlers bowled.

 

[Cricket Bliss]

That he was regarded as quickest of his era…. no ****. That doesn’t make everyone else in his era a medium pacer.

No. he was regarded a yard quicker than others. Not sure about Eddie Gilbert, but in the international arena.

 

[Cricket Bliss]

Dude this is clearly a young Larwood and he mentions Frank Foster who died in 1958, He won't have the slightest idea how fast he bowled, this is likely from 1930s when nobody knew how fast bowlers bowled.

I believe that he bowled over 90 mph, was just quotting what he said after his peak performance.

 

[Johan]

see the batting techniques. Today’s batsmen could relate more to the 1970s than the technique of 30s looks ancient to the 1970s. Even bowling actions.

All the relevant changes happened in the 70s. Shorter formats, floodlights and all. Still we have an updated version of the 70s. 30s were different

Nah, I've seen footage of McCabe and Viv bat and I see like almost no gap, Bowling actions also look identical, infact I'd go ahead and say Larwood, Lindwall and Trueman have better actions than anyone in the 70s bar maybe Imran.

 

[Cricket Bliss]

Nah, I've seen footage of McCabe and Viv bat and I see like almost no gap, Bowling actions also look identical, infact I'd go ahead and say Larwood, Lindwall and Trueman have better actions than anyone in the 70s bar maybe Imran.

Larwood is an exception. Lindwall is from late 40s and Trueman from 60s, I was not mentioning that era.

Why is perhaps one of the most technically equipped batsmen like Hutton teaching a defence like this?

In Bradman’s wikipedia there is an image of Bradman playing Voce on the back foot when his backfoot is paralel to the stumps! Voce is fast medium…is it possible for Bradman to play that much at the back foot in the 1970s to a medium pacer?

I consider Hobbs second only to Bradman, but will he survive with this technique in the 70s against the West Indian bowlers without any updation?
Sir Donald Bradman put it forward saying a champion batsman would become a champion batsman in any era because he would have adjusted to the conditions of that era.

However there is less change since the 70s to today. Even today none has surpassed Akthar or Lee of the 2000s in pace.

 

[Johan]

Larwood is an exception. Lindwall is from late 40s and Trueman from 60s, I was not mentioning that era.

Why is perhaps one of the most technically equipped batsmen like Hutton teaching a defence like this?

In Bradman’s wikipedia there is an image of Bradman playing Voce on the back foot when his backfoot is paralel to the stumps! Voce is fast medium…is it possible for Bradman to play that much at the back foot in the 1970s to a medium pacer?

I consider Hobbs second only to Bradman, but will he survive with this technique in the 70s against the West Indian bowlers without any updation?
Sir Donald Bradman put it forward saying a champion batsman would become a champion batsman in any era because he would have adjusted to the conditions of that era.

However there is less change since the 70s to today. Even today none has surpassed Akthar or Lee of the 2000s in pace.

That defense is completely fine for slower bowling, Are you annoyed he isn't teaching them how to block pace bowling no kid is capable of producing.

McCabe hits like any Batsman from the 70s for example

and Yes, Bradman would destroy 70s pacers, he wrecked Ray Lindwall when passed the age of 40, the hell is some trundler from 70s doing? also, are you referencing this?

Because Bradman in this photo hooked the ball, naturally the position he would be in when he hooked the ball is not necessarily the same as he was in when he must've started the hook shot.

Topping up, Hobbs is 50+ there, retired from International Cricket for years and so forth, here is the technique of Herbert Sutcliffe

and here is Geoffrey Boycott playing

if anything I'd argue Sutcliffe seems to display quicker feet movement, a less taxxing backlift, straighter bat shots and better generally better strokeplay, much faster running too. The latter is also arguably the grittiest technican of the 70s on top.

Plus, if the technique was outdated, the 70s pacers would've atleast managed to break through Boycott when Boycott is unanimously considered inferior technically to Hutton.

 

[sayon basak]

However there is less change since the 70s to today. Even today none has surpassed Akthar or Lee of the 2000s in pace.

They don't need to, why would I be express at the cost of breaking down constantly, while bowlers bowling slowly take all the wickets?

 

[Cricket Bliss]

That defense is completely fine for slower bowling, Are you annoyed he isn't teaching them how to block pace bowling no kid is capable of producing.

McCabe hits like any Batsman from the 70s for example

and Yes, Bradman would destroy 70s pacers, he wrecked Ray Lindwall when passed the age of 40, the hell is some trundler from 70s doing? also, are you referencing this?
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Because Bradman in this photo hooked the ball, naturally the position he would be in when he hooked the ball is not necessarily the same as he was in when he must've started the hook shot.

Topping up, Hobbs is 50+ there, retired from International Cricket for years and so forth, here is the technique of Herbert Sutcliffe

and here is Geoffrey Boycott playing

if anything I'd argue Sutcliffe seems to display quicker feet movement, a less taxxing backlift, straighter bat shots and better generally better strokeplay, much faster running too. The latter is also arguably the grittiest technican of the 70s on top.

Plus, if the technique was outdated, the 70s pacers would've atleast managed to break through Boycott when Boycott is unanimously considered inferior technically to Hutton.

Bradman definitely would thrash any bowler, but would he be able to hook any medium pacer of the 70s parellel to the stumps? the position of batsman do change while hooking, but can it change these much even for a batsman of Bradman’s caliber in the 70s?

 

[Johan]

Bradman definitely would thrash any bowler, but would he be able to hook any medium pacer of the 70s parellel to the stumps? the position of batsman do change while hooking, but can it change these much even for a batsman of Bradman’s caliber in the 70s?

I don't think that's what happened, I reckon Bradman was in a conventional position during that shot and then hooked the ball really hard, when you hook a ball very hard you throw your body weight to the side you're hooking towards so I reckon the photo was taken when Bradman had hit the shot and put his leg on the other end to balance himself and his body weight so he could run.