3rd Test (Lord’s) - 10 July to 14 July

[ataraxia]

I think evaluating the quality of Jadeja's batsmanship can and should be separated from evaluating the quality of his strategy. The fact that his batsmanship was excellent doesn't mean that his (and India's) strategy can't be criticised.

 

[cnerd123]

I think evaluating the quality of Jadeja's batsmanship can and should be separated from evaluating the quality of his strategy. The fact that his batsmanship was excellent doesn't mean that his (and India's) strategy can't be criticised.

The criticism of the strategy is baseless though. If you've got Pant batting there instead of Jadeja, you can take a different approach. Jadeja trying to hit sixes or play unorthodox shots into gaps was definitely going to fail.

 

[ataraxia]

The criticism of the strategy is baseless though. If you've got Pant batting there instead of Jadeja, you can take a different approach. Jadeja trying to hit sixes or play unorthodox shots into gaps was definitely going to fail.

Jadeja's not ****ing Trevor Franklin. His best chance at winning wasn't to hope that Bumrah and Siraj could keep out 110 balls between them. Really, that's hardly trying. They wouldn't have even got there before the dangerous second new ball.

The fact of the matter is that in a situation that demanded quick runs from the set batsman, Jadeja scored significantly slower than regular pace and didn't do a great job of protecting the tail either. Generally you sacrifice one of those two for another, but both were sacrificed here.

 

[SkyBlue]

Re: Jadeja's approach, the main thing I found odd was that it was totally uniform and undifferentiated, with no attempt to pose any different questions to Stokes and force him to problem solve by attacking certain bowlers (specifically Bashir). Given that Bashir ended up getting the final wicket, that might be something he regrets now.

Jadeja just doesn't have that attacking game. Yeah he can play some shots here and there but that situation demanded a power hitter and he isn't really a natural at that. It's like asking Crawley to develop a defensive technique. They just don't have it in them.

The match was already lost the moment Pant and Rahul got out. It was a mere formality post that. In that sense, Jadeja did really well to at least get us close to the target.

 

[karan_fromthestands]

The criticism of the strategy is baseless though. If you've got Pant batting there instead of Jadeja, you can take a different approach. Jadeja trying to hit sixes or play unorthodox shots into gaps was definitely going to fail.

Agree. Whatever Jadeja did was the best chance for the team. Also, Jadeja's plan to attack Woakes on the 5th/6th deliveries is what pushed Stokes to not even try and stop the singles towards the end of the over. He spread out the field and got defensive. This allowed Jadeja to farm majority of the strike and take singles at will.

Randomly throwing away your wicket is always a much easier approach in certain situations. Jadeja applied himself and did what he could do best based on his batting style.

 

[cnerd123]

Jadeja's not ****ing Trevor Franklin. His best chance at winning wasn't to hope that Bumrah and Siraj could keep out 110 balls between them. Really, that's hardly trying. They wouldn't have even got there before the dangerous second new ball.

The fact of the matter is that in a situation that demanded quick runs from the set batsman, Jadeja scored significantly slower than regular pace and didn't do a great job of protecting the tail either. Generally you sacrifice one of those two for another, but both were sacrificed here.

You may as well also criticise Bumrah and Siraj for not hitting boundaries when the field was up for them.

 

[ataraxia]

You may as well also criticise Bumrah and Siraj for not hitting boundaries when the field was up for them.

Their approach was excellent. The thing is there's a slight difference in ideal strategy since Jadeja is marginally better than Bumrah and Siraj.

 

[cnerd123]

Their approach was excellent. The thing is there's a slight difference in ideal strategy since Jadeja is marginally better than Bumrah and Siraj.

Jadeja hasn't hit 35 in an over

 

[LangleyburyCCPlayer]

You may as well also criticise Bumrah and Siraj for not hitting boundaries when the field was up for them.

Bumrah tried his best to BazBall his way to victory!

 

[sledger]

Spending pages and pages defending a failed strategy that required tailenders to bat extremely long innings, and was therefore self-evidently highly likely to to fail from the off, is such a Furball India thing to do.

 

[Adders]

I think that we can all agree here that the answer to this particular situation for India wasn't Jadeja.

 

[cnerd123]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/eng-vs-ind-england-docked-wtc-points-fined-for-slow-over-rate-in-3rd-test-at-lord-s-1495555

England have been docked two World Test Championship (WTC) points for their slow over rate during the slim 22-run victory in the third Test against India at Lord's. England's tally has, as a result, fallen from 24 points to 22 on the WTC points table, and the percentage points have slipped from 66.67% to 61.11%, taking them down a spot from second to third, behind Australia and Sri Lanka.

England were also fined 10% of their match fees for falling short of the allotted time for over rates.

Only found guilty of being 2 overs slow when it's all said and done.

 

[Molehill]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/eng-vs-ind-england-docked-wtc-points-fined-for-slow-over-rate-in-3rd-test-at-lord-s-1495555

Only found guilty of being 2 overs slow when it's all said and done.

I'm somewhat confused as to why only one team has been penalised here.

 

[honestbharani]

I'm somewhat confused as to why only one team has been penalised here.

Same reason why Siraj was penalized when Archer did far worse in terms of send-offs.

 

[Stefan9]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/eng-vs-ind-england-docked-wtc-points-fined-for-slow-over-rate-in-3rd-test-at-lord-s-1495555

Only found guilty of being 2 overs slow when it's all said and done.

Absolutely shocked that Stokes is the first captain docked points this cycle I tell you.
The only surprise is only two overs.

 

[Molehill]

Same reason why Siraj was penalized when Archer did far worse in terms of send-offs.

Don't recall Archer making physical contact with a batsman. What he did was the same as NKR and rightly neither were fined.

I have no issue with overs fine for England, they were slow. But India managed just 83 overs on Day 1 and got slower from there.

 

[CricAddict]

Don't recall Archer making physical contact with a batsman. What he did was the same as NKR and rightly neither were fined.

I have no issue with overs fine for England, they were slow. But India managed just 83 overs on Day 1 and got slower from there.

Carse did make physical contact though. But didn't get fined for it. Most of the English players were far worse than Siraj in terms of over the top sledging, celebrations and rude gestures but didn't cop any fine.

 

[Johan]

Carse did make physical contact though. But didn't get fined for it. Most of the English players were far worse than Siraj in terms of over the top sledging, celebrations and rude gestures but didn't cop any fine.

Wasn't Carse's physical contact a result of Jadeja accidentally running into him?

 

[OverratedSanity]

I thought even Nitish Reddy's celebration of Crawley's wicket was as bad as Siraj's anyway. These supposed send-offs are all fine and amusing imo. Nothing wrong with a little fire-y celebration in someone's face. Siraj and Duckett kinda both brushed shoulders, wasn't really one sided as people are saying. Let players do more of this, not less. Adds to the theatre immensely.

 

[Uppercut]

Lol that teams get docked points for slow over rates and people still act like the WTC is a real thing.