3rd Test (Lord’s) - 10 July to 14 July

[CartyDurham]

I made an error yesterday re bumrah’s time off

it’s not 13 days but 9

still think that is plenty and he will play the 4th test

 

[CartyDurham]

In my opinion, Expecting Jadeja to bash Woakes or Bashir (on a day 5 breaking pitch) for sixes or boundaries is a bit much, he's a number 6 all rounder and the field was spread out for him to either hit and it would get no run, tempting him to risk a single or he gets out sending it to a fielder. I feel like he was unlucky, a little more support from Sundar, Washington and Bumrah and he'd have his Headingley 2019

Bashir is out of the series now

Liam Dawson is coming in

 

[CartyDurham]

He's been doing that since his first ever Test though

I agree but barring injury never dropped. I think he looks shattered

 

[Uppercut]

You know what else was a large risk?

Batting slowly, ensuring that #10 and #11 got exposed to a large number of balls and giving an England a long time to get them out. There are no "risk free" scenarios when you're 8 down with 70 runs to get, so you have to decide which risks are worth taking.

Just scoring at a slightly below average rate for a middle order batsman, instead of at a significantly below average rate, would have been enough to win the game. It's only in the past two days people have decided that striking at 3 an over is absolutely impossible against a 50 over old duke ball. Even attempting to do so is a fool's errand that would lead only to certain death. Disregard the past 30 years of 50 over duke balls routinely getting smacked around by tail-enders, none of that counts. Jadeja's failure to score at 3 an over is all the proof we need that scoring at 3 an over is a ridiculous ask, what kind of a clown would even suggest it.

 

[Ju7]

Bashir is out of the series now

Liam Dawson is coming in

I don't follow CC closely enough to know who should replace Bashir but it says something about spin bowling in this country that they pick a player who hasn't played a Test in 8 years.

 

[Gremlin]

I don't follow CC closely enough to know who should replace Bashir but it says something about spin bowling in this country that they pick a player who hasn't played a Test in 8 years.

He has been badly overlooked by England. He was the Professional Cricketers Association Player Of The Year over the last two seasons with great performances for Hants with both bat and ball.

 

[Daemon]

Constructive criticism is for performances that are below expectations. The top order lost us this game, yet posters want to criticise the one man who made a match of it simply because he's not superhuman. It's really mind boggling.

Agree with it all except the bolded.

 

[Chin Music]

England vs India player ratings as ‘torrid’ Ollie Pope scores 1/10 I am amazed at some of the clarifications. Pope gets one despite a hard fought 44 in the first innings. Yeah I know it was lucky but even so, a bloke really out of sorts at least put a score on the board, yet Brook gets 4/10 for scoring less runs and got out playing a very silly shot. I get the emphasis that Brook is meant to be more of a 'risk' player but even so, it's bizarre for me that players get ranked in that way.

 

[reyrey]

England probably find a way to screw Dawson again, like picking Bethell and his part time spin instead.

Crawley
Duckett
Bethell
Root
Brooke
Pope
Smith
Stokes
Carse
Atkinson
Archer

 

[honestbharani]

Disregard the past 30 years of 50 over duke balls

I mean isn't it an obvious fact that the problematic Dukes ball are an issue of the past couple of years or something and not before?

 

[Arachnödouche2.0]

There can't be a more toxic set of ex-cricketers jumping in to offer their criticisms after a defeat or non-performance than what we have in India. Fans are hopeless as expected but you'd think people who've been there and have certainly lost a hell of a lot more in their time would have a little more empathy for their successors.

 

[Ali TT]

Bumrah faced the third most balls in an innings in his career (54), Siraj the most in his (30). That constituted 40% of the deliveries bowled during their time in the middle.

A couple of comparisons:
- Leach faced 17/62 balls in the match-winning tenth wicket partnership with Stokes at headingley in 2019. (27%)
- Vishwa Fernando faced 27/95 balls when batting with Kusal Perera when they beat South Africa in Durban in 2019. (28%)

It was always unlikely that Jadeja would get India over the line but I think he did let the two tail-enders face a lot of balls. Credit to both of them for sticking it out but the more they were exposed, the higher the likelihood they would succumb.

 

[honestbharani]

Bumrah faced the third most balls in an innings in his career (54), Siraj the most in his (30). That constituted 40% of the deliveries bowled during their time in the middle.

A couple of comparisons:
- Leach faced 17/62 balls in the match-winning tenth wicket partnership with Stokes at headingley in 2019. (27%)
- Vishwa Fernando faced 27/95 balls when batting with Kusal Perera when they beat South Africa in Durban in 2019. (28%)

It was always unlikely that Jadeja would get India over the line but I think he did let the two tail-enders face a lot of balls. Credit to both of them for sticking it out but the more they were exposed, the higher the likelihood they would succumb.

I think I kinda summed it up that Jadeja was never going to do a Ben Stokes and the best he could hope to was to do a VVS. Now go check the Mohalil 2009 scorecard.

 

[Uppercut]

I mean isn't it an obvious fact that the problematic Dukes ball are an issue of the past couple of years or something and not before?

Yeah but until yesterday the criticism was that they’ve become too easy to hit. It’s mostly been suggested as a reason for Bazball working better than expected.

Let's put into perspective what I mean when I say he should have scored faster. During the last three partnerships Jadeja scored 53 runs off 166 balls. S/R of 31.9, 1.91 runs per over. If he'd struck at a rate of 45, or 2.7rpo, India would have won. I understand that scoring runs was difficult, but why is it so unreasonable to ask a middle order batsman to go at 2.7rpo with the tail? I'm not saying he needed to clear the men on the boundary every other ball. And I understand that he's not exactly a power hitter, but let's not undersell what he's capable of, he's played 200 ODIs as a very good lower order bat. Surely he has the ability to score 3 an over when the field is set back.

 

[Spark]

I think I kinda summed it up that Jadeja was never going to do a Ben Stokes and the best he could hope to was to do a VVS. Now go check the Mohalil 2009 scorecard.

Maybe my memory is faulty but I think VVS showed a lot of trust in Ishant that day, more than Jadeja did, and in particular he was willing to take runs when they were offered rather than doing the block-everything-take-one-single-off-4th ball routine which meant they went at glacial pace.

Instead they ended up in this odd middle ground where the tailenders were facing a ton of balls, so weren't super protected, but the scoreboard wasn't going anywhere.

 

[Arachnödouche2.0]

Yeah, it's hindsight to say he was doing alright letting the bunnies take as much strike as he did, but it's definitely not a practical strategy going forward because of just bad they are. He should've flicked whatever switch he had once the target came down to 30 and Root/Bashir started bowling. 22 runs looks like a thin margin but with Siraj at the other end, it was as good as being 50 runs adrift.

 

[Uppercut]

I think I kinda summed it up that Jadeja was never going to do a Ben Stokes and the best he could hope to was to do a VVS. Now go check the Mohalil 2009 scorecard.

Maybe my memory is faulty but I think VVS showed a lot of trust in Ishant that day, more than Jadeja did, and in particular he was willing to take runs when they were offered rather than doing the block-everything-take-one-single-off-4th ball routine which meant they went at glacial pace.

Instead they ended up in this odd middle ground where the tailenders were facing a ton of balls, so weren't super protected, but the scoreboard wasn't going anywhere.

This one? https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...a-vs-australia-1st-test-464526/full-scorecard

It's an interesting scorecard actually. Ishant faced more balls than VVS in 76 fewer minutes - Australia were offering singles and they were taking them. But VVS had a SR of 92, he scored almost three times as fast as Jadeja yesterday. I think this would have been a much better strategy.

 

[govinda indian fan]

This one? https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...a-vs-australia-1st-test-464526/full-scorecard

It's an interesting scorecard actually. Ishant faced more balls than VVS in 76 fewer minutes - Australia were offering singles and they were taking them. But VVS had a SR of 92, he scored almost three times as fast as Jadeja yesterday. I think this would have been a much better strategy.

Jadeja is not boundary hitter. This is risky but best he could offer

 

[Spark]

This one? https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...a-vs-australia-1st-test-464526/full-scorecard

It's an interesting scorecard actually. Ishant faced more balls than VVS in 76 fewer minutes - Australia were offering singles and they were taking them. But VVS had a SR of 92, he scored almost three times as fast as Jadeja yesterday. I think this would have been a much better strategy.

****ing hell, I'd forgot how tragic that attack was (bearing in mind that this was very much Bad Mitch era).

Frankly, looking at both sides' bowling lineups in that game, it's really easy to forget just how blessed we are currently with bowling stocks across Tests - even WI have their strongest attack in years and years.

 

[LangleyburyCCPlayer]

I don't follow CC closely enough to know who should replace Bashir but it says something about spin bowling in this country that they pick a player who hasn't played a Test in 8 years.

He would have been called up for the India tour last year but wasn’t in the end as he was playing in South Africa and didn’t want to be called up to carry drinks. Granted, there are no franchise leagues going on at the moment, but it’s surely a sign that he’s going to play, and in an era where England pick on vibes, it’s a safe option