sayon basak
International Coach
Definitely not 140. People were fair at criticizing his pace. He's 6'9''. I'd bowl 175 k's rockets if I were that height.
If II could move around.
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Joel Garner vs Dennis Lillee
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If II could move around.
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
Height isn’t a major factor in speed. Look at McGrath vs Lee.
sayon basak
International Coach
Makes me feel better.
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
Its only a factor in **** length
sayon basak
International Coach
Dammit.
PlayerComparisons
International Captain
PlayerComparisons
International Captain
Shows how good Border was to average 75 in the WI against Marshall, Garner, and Holding all at their peak
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
Average against West Indies – 39.46
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
I believe he’s referring to the 1983/84 series. As I think I’ve mentioned previously, all 3 were devastating in 1984. (note: this was the series where Garner took over as the new ball from Holding)
I will be completely fair, Marshall missed the first test, and Holding missed the first two. Still…
Garner 31 @ 16.87
Marshall 21 @ 22.85
Holding 13 @ 18.84
Border 521 @ 74.42 1 ton 4 fifties
Top scored for the series, more than doubled the nearest Australian (258). Out of his 5 50+ scores he was not out in 3 of them, and run out in another. Lot of runs left out there. A great series.
Note: In 1984, both Garner and Marshall took 70+ wickets @ 20 and Holding took 43 @ 19.
Sadly Border’s form did not continue into the 84/85 series in Australia against them.
tldr: Tendulkar never scored 500 runs in a series whilst Border did in a series against Garner/Marshall/Holding
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
Oh? what did he average there?
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
247 @ 27.44 1 fifty
Notably, Kepler Wessels repeated Border’s feat in that series, scoring 505 @ 56.11 1 ton and 4 fifties, topping the run scoring and doubling Border’s total. Nice little quirk of fate.
PlayerComparisons
International Captain
Yup. I think averaging 40 over his entire career against bowling attacks with 3 ATG bowlers on pitches with pace, bounce, and seam is very impressive but that’s just me. That series in the WI is one of the greatest ever.
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Johan
Hall of Fame Member
Eh, he made 98* and 100* at Port of Spain against Garner and Marshall on a very slow dead Trindiad wicket which is a spin track. Still a great series overall
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
To better put it in context, 98* out of 255 and 100* out of 299, completely saving Australia from an innings defeat and turning it into a draw.
PlayerComparisons
International Captain
Border said it was a spicy pitch iirc, not sure if it’s true though
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
How does that contradict what I said
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
You’re making it out like it was an easy pitch against them. Hell look at the first innings, Garner took 6/60. Lets also not forget he SAVED the match, turning what should’ve been an innings victory into a draw.
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
Alright? all of that can be done on a spinny wicket and not a pace bounce paradise. I'm discussing the nature of the tridiad pitch, you're discussing match situation.
PlayerComparisons
International Captain
His performances were so impressive that Dujon said his greatest disappointment was border not scoring a hundred in both innings iirc
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
Because you are (quite obviously) trying to downplay the performance, for some silly reason.