Who are the top 5 Test cricketers of the 1990s and 2000s?

[subshakerz]

Lol, and Smith is just as good as Tendulkar even tho his numbers don't come close- oh, wait.

Yeah but Smith is a good example of someone scaling huge heights but ultimately because of career length won't be seen as good as Tendulkar.

 

[subshakerz]

Um He won't be fit and won't end up as better than McGrath, Smith was also and is often discussed as better than Sachin in Tests.

Smith was discussed as such in 2019 but not since really.

And if Bumrah scratches to 300 with a sub 20 average are you going to say McGrath in indisputably better?

 

[centurymaker]

Lol, and Smith is just as good as Tendulkar even tho his numbers don't come close- oh, wait.

Smith is not in Tendulkar's class. It's not all about numbers and excel sheets.

Did you "watch" Tendulkar bat over his career? Then "re-watch" Smith bat. It's day and night.

 

[Johan]

Yeah but Smith is a good example of someone scaling huge heights but ultimately because of career length won't be seen as good as Tendulkar.

Bumrah is a great example of someone scaling huge height but ultimately because of career length, availability and fitness won't be seen as good as McGrath.

 

[Johan]

Smith was discussed as such in 2019 but not since really.

And if Bumrah scratches to 300 with a sub 20 average are you going to say McGrath in indisputably better?

He is still put in that discussion whenever he performs decently, you're delusional if you think Smith as the BAB won't be a rather common take when he retires.

Yeah, McGrath would be better unless Bumrah hits 400 under 20

 

[Johan]

Smith is not in Tendulkar's class. It's not all about numbers and excel sheets.

Did you "watch" Tendulkar bat over his career? Then "re-watch" Smith bat. It's day and night.

Eye test? Tendulkar looked better than Smith, so did Root, so did Kohli, but no one gave the same sense of inevitability and hopelessness that Smith gave in 2017 and 2019 Ashes, literally no one.

 

[subshakerz]

Bumrah is a great example of someone scaling huge height but ultimately because of career length, availability and fitness won't be seen as good as McGrath.

Likely but Bumrah's career isn't finished.

He is still put in that discussion whenever he performs decently, you're delusional if you think Smith as the BAB won't be a rather common take when he retires.

Yeah, McGrath would be better unless Bumrah hits 400 under 20

And you are delusional if you think Bumrah with 300 plus at sub 20 won't be discussed regularly as the greatest pace bowler ever, despite your own arbitrary criteria.

 

[Johan]

Likely but Bumrah's career isn't finished..

neither is Smith's, pretending Bumrah is closer to McGrath right now than Sachin is to Smith is pure and utter delusion, it's downright insulting.

And you are delusional if you think Bumrah with 300 plus at sub 20 won't be discussed regularly as the greatest pace bowler ever, despite your own arbitrary criteria.

if Smith hits 12000 at 60+, would he not be regarded as the BAB too? meaningless criteria, such like everything invented to overrate Sachin.

 

[subshakerz]

Difference between Smith and Bumrah is that Smiths standing has pretty much settled at his current rate barring some unusually historic late career bump whereas Bumrah is more fluid and at current rate is set to be the best but needs to race against injuries.

 

[Johan]

Bumrah is at the peak of his career, Smith at the peak of his career was also steadily ahead of Tendulkar, just cut it out, Bumrah is no more of a threat to McGrath than Smith to Sachin

 

[subshakerz]

neither is Smith's, pretending Bumrah is closer to McGrath right now than Sachin is to Smith is pure and utter delusion, it's downright insulting.


if Smith hits 12000 at 60+, would he not be regarded as the BAB too? meaningless criteria, such like everything invented to overrate Sachin.

Dude Bumrah is being seen as such in a way comparable to how Smith was seen Smith 2019. Smith declined since. It's much more unlikely he gets another titanic run of form to get to 60 plus average than Bumrah maintaining his form for 2-3 more years.

 

[subshakerz]

Bumrah is at the peak of his career, Smith at the peak of his career was also steadily ahead of Tendulkar, just cut it out, Bumrah is no more of a threat to McGrath than Smith to Sachin

Yes and by that logic Bumrah at peak is ahead of McGrath (pro-rata).

Smith declined, Bumrah has yet to, so Bumrah is a bigger threat respectively. Quite simple.

 

[Johan]

Dude Bumrah is being seen as such in a way comparable to how Smith was seen Smith 2019. Smith declined since. It's much more unlikely he gets another titanic run of form to get to 60 plus average than Bumrah maintaining his form for 2-3 more years.

Sure, if Bumrah does all that, 350+ or 400+ at sub 20, he's better than Tendulkar too, same way had Smith maintained his Ashes 2019 average he'd be better than Tendulkar and McGrath too, fairly simple

 

[Johan]

Yes and by that logic Bumrah at peak is ahead of McGrath (pro-rata).

Smith declined, Bumrah has yet to, so Bumrah is a bigger threat respectively. Quite simple.

He isn't

Bumrah getting closer to McGrath than Smith is to Tendulkar is a hypothetical, Smith and Sachin is already a debateable matter

 

[subshakerz]

Sure, if Bumrah does all that, 350+ or 400+ at sub 20, he's better than Tendulkar too, same way had Smith maintained his Ashes 2019 average he'd be better than Tendulkar and McGrath too, fairly simple

You're moving goalposts. And even if Bumrah ends up 300 wickets@ 21/22 he will be seen as a McGrath /Marshall level contender, by most maybe not you.

Whereas Smith retiring today won't be treated as a BAB contender frankly. He has lost that sheen.

 

[subshakerz]

He isn't

Bumrah getting closer to McGrath than Smith is to Tendulkar is a hypothetical, Smith and Sachin is already a debateable matter

Is Smith over Sachin a serious debate nowadays? 2019 sure, don't think it is now. He will retire as best Aussie after Bradman, that's it.

Bumrah becoming the greatest pacer ever is definitely being discussed today.

 

[Johan]

You're moving goalposts. And even if Bumrah ends up 300 wickets@ 21/22 he will be seen as a McGrath /Marshall level contender, by most maybe not you.

Whereas Smith retiring today won't be treated as a BAB contender frankly. He has lost that sheen.

300 @ 21 then No, less longevity, availability, not even better average in a much spicier era than all of them.

and Yes, Smith would be seen as a BAB candidate today, maybe not by you due to your precious Sachin but by others, not even here, but even outside here

 

[Johan]

Is Smith over Sachin a serious debate nowadays? 2019 sure, don't think it is now. He will retire as best Aussie after Bradman, that's it.

Bumrah becoming the greatest pacer ever is definitely being discussed today.

as Test batsman alone, outside of CW, it surely is.

 

[centurymaker]

Bowlers are different. They don't have long careers. Longevity is less of a factor. Bumrah has been sub 20 almost his entire career, unlike McGarth. But he needs to maintain that for at least 70 tests to be on similar level as Mcgrath.

Smith's avg is 56 after 115 tests. Tendulkar's was 57 after like 175 tests. Can Smith stay above 55 after 140 tests?

 

[honestbharani]

Smith was never considered better than Sachin by any serious watcher of the game.

But I agree that Bumrah is nowhere near McGrath and we have to wait until his whole career is done to make these comparisons.