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*Official* Australia Tour of West Indies 2025
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Coronis
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Top averages by Windies batsmen since Braithwaite’s debut in 2011 (min 1000 runs)
Chanderpaul 2804 @ 60.95
Bravo 3332 @ 35.44
Samuels 2509 @ 35.33
Braithwaite 5943 @ 32.83
Number of batsmen by country who average higher than Bravo in that period. (min 1000 runs)
Australia - 13
Bangladesh - 4
England - 11
India - 12
New Zealand - 10
Pakistan - 13
South Africa - 9
Sri Lanka - 10
Zimbabwe - 3
Nobody from Afghanistan or Ireland has scored 1k runs in that period. (Rahmat Shah has 970 and is averaging mid 40’s so will soon be there)
Removing the 1000 run requirement adds Gayle at 46, Carlos Braithwaite at 45 (retired from FC after his 3 tests iirc) Nkrumah Bonnor at 36 and Tagenarine Chanderpaul also at 32.
Shouldn’t underestimate how poor their batting has been for Braithwaite’s career outside of Shiv.
Chanderpaul 2804 @ 60.95
Bravo 3332 @ 35.44
Samuels 2509 @ 35.33
Braithwaite 5943 @ 32.83
Number of batsmen by country who average higher than Bravo in that period. (min 1000 runs)
Australia - 13
Bangladesh - 4
England - 11
India - 12
New Zealand - 10
Pakistan - 13
South Africa - 9
Sri Lanka - 10
Zimbabwe - 3
Nobody from Afghanistan or Ireland has scored 1k runs in that period. (Rahmat Shah has 970 and is averaging mid 40’s so will soon be there)
Removing the 1000 run requirement adds Gayle at 46, Carlos Braithwaite at 45 (retired from FC after his 3 tests iirc) Nkrumah Bonnor at 36 and Tagenarine Chanderpaul also at 32.
Shouldn’t underestimate how poor their batting has been for Braithwaite’s career outside of Shiv.
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Green bats like this atm too. It’s punishing to watch
Burgey
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He’s a cheat code in the grippers as well. Awesome catcher.
morgieb
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Harris’s Shield record is only good because of the Junction Oval. In contrast, Webster bats on the greenest wicket in the country.
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This reminds me of when they ****ed off Chanderpaul (Shiv) when he wa still their best bat
Coronis
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Maybe its just me but it also feels like they should’ve given Tangerine a longer rope.
Bahnz
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Man, if WI could only find a couple of top 3 bats capable of averaging 40+ they'd have a real team. Kinda weird that they now have the opposite problem to when things first fell apart for them post Curtly/Courtenay's retirement (when they had several class bats but no high quality bowlers).
TheJediBrah
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Those half centuries on tough tracks have been worth more than a downhill skiing 140 on a road
SillyCowCorner1
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All the class bats either disappeared or went straight to Curry Goat cricket. They think they got big after one innings in FC cricket.
Guyanese players used to go in Trinidad to play “contract cricket”…basically 3 day games for money. It helped the Trinidad players more and they got better, at the turn of the decade we remember Trinidad T20 team being very strong.
The quality of cricket in Guyana waned, we never again produced a top batter (until probably Hetmyer)
But now, since we’ve dominated regional 4-day cricket with multiple championships, we see some of our batsmen making the senior team: Tage, Imlach, and now Kevlon (who is the best in my opinion). Not far off is Kemol Savory.
So, we can trace back to the point where the switch actually occurred,
Nintendo
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Does green look worse technically now then he did when he came in the team? I'm not saying he's improved, but he's always had a massive front pad, struggled to rotate the strike early and been a nervy starter. He's a #4/#5 as a specialist bar and a #6 if he's also bowling. His FC and test numbers reflect that.
TheJediBrah
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Typical slowish /variable bounce West Indian deck IMO. Aus' score probably about par but with the WI poor batting it should be relatively daunting
Nintendo
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Was there any lateral movement? Sounds like hazlewood's kind of pitch if there is.
Bahseph
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I think this basically sums it up. Due to the time zones, West Indies Tests are on at a pretty reasonable time here in SA. I’ve watched numerous iterations of this WI Test batting lineup and the fact of the matter is everyone they tried has been worse than Kraigg, or just didn’t stick around. On talent alone I don’t think he is a 100 Test player but he is still the only one who’s always been available over 13+ years. I mean look at Pooran as an example. Played what? 5 FC games? Never gave Tests a go. I’d still rather have him in that team than a guy like Chase.
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There will be with the new ball, not as much as last game though
Burgey
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I think, as with anyone, he's out of form so his weaknesses are amplified. Leaden feet, playing at balls he should leave etc.
I didn't see last night as I'd had a pretty **** week, so I was watching a full replay of the 2025 election night coverage to cheer me up (it did), but in the first test for example, Green was consistently playing at balls on a 5th-6th stump line, then when he got a genuine wide half tracker he let the ****ing thing go instead of treating it with the contempt it deserved. he's pretty fried atm
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He seems to play with a lot harder hands than he used to, when he first came into the team he was pretty good at making sure edges went to ground. Whether it's mental or otherwise, now he's pushing really hard at the ball and the edges are flying at catchable height even on slow pitches as a result.
Nintendo
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This is purely from memory, but I feel like your actually correct here. I watched a ton of green when he was playing for WA and Australia-A in that 2020-2022 period where he batted #6, then moved to #4 before his debut vs india. He would start really slow and edge a few through the slips, but the edges would mostly roll along the ground rather than going at a catchable height, which is what has happened to him recently at #3 in the test team. Is the issue the ball being newer and harder or a mix of both, rather than him going harder? Even when he batted #4 for WA he would usually come out when the ball was a bit older and softer because he had a top 3 of bancroft, whiteman and late career shaun marsh that would eat up some balls. Now at #3 he's walking out very early because usman/konstas/marnus haven't been able to run and his edges are going at catchable height?
Him going harder is also definitely an issue. He started using his feet to the pacers in NZ when he was batting #4, and from what i've seen he's continued doing it at #3. It got him in trouble vs rabada in the WTC final because he was down the wicket and trying to force the ball away.