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*Official* WTC FINAL Australia vs South Africa 2025

Who will win the final


  • Total voters
    63
  • Poll closed .

Johan

Hall of Fame Member
This is what I said earlier too, I think realistically Australia already have a defendable target, Saffers choked pretty hard from 73-8, but even 190 or 180 is defendable. for anything below 230, all it really takes is one very good inning drom one of the saffers, and you can never count Lord Bavuma out.
 

halba

International Debutant
Imagine if Aus played Boland instead of Lyon on this pitch. Saf wouldn't get even 100 runs both innings.

The ball is seaming all over the place, Boland would've annihilated them here. Certainly a missed opportunity, he deserved a crack as his insane BGT heroics is what earned them the WTC place.
 

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
Absolutely agree. In the modern era many would take him but I do get what Bazball is saying to an extent.

When tested v India, South Africa & England he averages 29, 36 & 40.
What does "when tested" mean? Is that his overall average vs those nations?
 

halba

International Debutant
The Batting lineups are not strong enough for 5 day games right now
Yep Even just a cm of seam movement is enough to do most batsmen. Not everyone is Sachin or Dravid. Such technically brilliant batters don't exist anymore. Such a shame it was good to watch such battles
 

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
Nothing too intense. Just remembered looking before this test and seeing he averaged 45 & thought it flattered him slightly.
Yeah that's 100% fair. He's definitely gone missing vs those teams at times. 2019 ashes and 2018 border Gavaskar when he was the senior bat come to mind. Also has a top score of 11 in the 2 WTC finals he's played. Even the recent border Gavaskar in AUS.

I think his efforts in India 23, England 23 and SA in AUS 22 make up for that, but his overall average definitely shows how extremely up and down his career has been.
 

Molehill

International Coach
The wicket isn’t dangerous, it’s fine. It’s a little bit two paced and on the low side if anything. There isn’t miles of sideways movement but it’s relatively consistent. It’s just a hard pitch to bat on. Number of lbws and bowleds tells you it’s doing enough.
I really don't think it's a bad wicket, it's just that the two bowling attacks are massively superior to the batting units. Three all time great seamers for Australia, one of the very best SA has ever produced plus another who may go on to be that good too. Arguably, the worst batting line up Aus have put out since 2010 and a SA Top 6 that has gone largely untested against decent bowlers through the qualification period. It's not much of a surprise really what we're getting.

I'm wondering if the pitch is starting to go a bit dead (edges not carrying), I think 250 could be chaseable.
 

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
I really don't think it's a bad wicket, it's just that the two bowling attacks are massively superior to the batting units. Three all time great seamers for Australia, one of the very best SA has ever produced plus another who may go on to be that good too. Arguably, the worst batting line up Aus have put out since 2010 and a SA Top 6 that has gone largely untested against decent bowlers through the qualification period. It's not much of a surprise really what we're getting.

I'm wondering if the pitch is starting to go a bit dead (edges not carrying), I think 250 could be chaseable.
Dude, come on. You could have three cardboard cut outs + head, Khawaja, smith and Carey on current form and it would still be infinitely better than some of the batting lineups we put up between sand paper gate and the Pakistan series in 2022. Does nobody remember the marsh brothers at 3 + 4, or that run between the 2019 ashes and covid border Gavaskar where our batting line-up was slightly out of smith + marnus and a prayer. FFS we had Joe burns and Matthew Wade opening the batting at one point with pre bogan head, start of career green and Paine either side of marnus and smith.
 

Molehill

International Coach
Dude, come on. You could have three cardboard cut outs + head, Khawaja, smith and Carey on current form and it would still be infinitely better than some of the batting lineups we put up between sand paper gate and the Pakistan series in 2022. Does nobody remember the marsh brothers at 3 + 4, or that run between the 2019 ashes and covid border Gavaskar where our batting line-up was slightly out of smith + marnus and a prayer. FFS we had Joe burns and Matthew Wade opening the batting at one point with pre bogan head, start of career green and Paine either side of marnus and smith.
But on current form, Khawaja and Head join the cardboard cut out crew and even Smith is hardly the player he once was.
 

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
But on current form, Khawaja and Head join the cardboard cut out crew and even Smith is hardly the player he once was.
Head averaged 50+ against bumrah and made runs in SL opening over his last 2 series..... Smith has 3 hundreds in his last 6/7 tests and made runs this test.

There's definitely questions around Usman vs quality new ball pacers (bumrah, rabada, Henry) right now, but he still made a double hundred in SL 2 tests ago. That's 1000x better than opening situations we had in the periods I mentioned.

I can't tell if your just being dense for the sake of bites or genuine.
 

Molehill

International Coach
Head averaged 50+ against bumrah and made runs in SL opening over his last 2 series..... Smith has 3 hundreds in his last 6/7 tests and made runs this test.

There's definitely questions around Usman vs quality new ball pacers (bumrah, rabada, Henry) right now, but he still made a double hundred in SL 2 tests ago. That's 1000x better than opening situations we had in the periods I mentioned.

I can't tell if your just being dense for the sake of bites or genuine.
Head averages 34 in this WTC cycle, Smith 41, that's miles off his best, but he's the only one over 40. I know Head is very much an all or nothing player and will win you matches, but he's not been consistently that great. Labuschagne would've been dropped if there was another opener available who had started shaving anything more than bumfluff. Green is clearly not a 3 and Webster is just not Test quality. The fact that a keeper who averages 21 against England and 27 against India is one of those not in question raises even more alarm bells.

You could have had 5 cardboard cut outs in 2019 plus Smith and it was better than this.
 

Gob

International Coach
Head averaged 50+ against bumrah and made runs in SL opening over his last 2 series..... Smith has 3 hundreds in his last 6/7 tests and made runs this test.

There's definitely questions around Usman vs quality new ball pacers (bumrah, rabada, Henry) right now, but he still made a double hundred in SL 2 tests ago. That's 1000x better than opening situations we had in the periods I mentioned.

I can't tell if your just being dense for the sake of bites or genuine.
Isn't that always the case?

Australia obviously don't have the luxury of having players in the calibre of Crawley and Pope but this is alright. The bowling was too good and the wicket was helpful and Smith aside, they didn't bat well but any batting line up currently going would have struggled here due to the quality of the bowling
 

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