*Official* West Indies Tour of Ireland and England- May/June 2025

[Howe_zat]

Most runs across all formats by England players



I find the daylight in 2nd kinda funny

 

[Thala_0710]

Most runs across all formats by England players

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I find the daylight in 2nd kinda funny

Many countries have daylight between 1-2 tbh

 

[Beamer]

Root was superb, you have to give it to him.

Obviously he should have been lbw, but these things happen and from that moment on he was God like.

One good thing about this series and the flat pitches is that it's exposing our weaknesses for all to see, to the point where we at least have to try and address them...

For one, you can't play Forde on anything other than a green top. He's a liability on anything else and his lower order hitting is not yet consistent at all. They should try Blades for the next game, it's worth a go.

Motie is out of form and perhaps needs a rest. He's not offering anything at the moment, but we don't have an alternative in this squad.

In this series we have a problem with a lack of power at 5, but that is solved by Rutherford and/or Pooran when the IPL isn't on.

I think our bowling is sufficiently bad that we need to try a few things, we've nothing to lose.

 

[Beamer]

Only other thing I'd say is this was one of Shai's worst captaincy performances. He was far too laid back during that 6th wicket partnership. Shades of Holders captaincy. Not good memories.

 

[Molehill]

Many countries have daylight between 1-2 tbh

Not to the extent where someone could end up almost 10k runs ahead?

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Only other thing I'd say is this was one of Shai's worst captaincy performances. He was far too laid back during that 6th wicket partnership. Shades of Holders captaincy. Not good memories.

It seem as though the Bajans were calling the shot in this one...and terribly at that.

Two RHB at the crease and Chase is bowling...it would have been a perfect time to introduce Motie into the attack. The captaincy was very laid back. No initiative whatsoever.

 

[LangleyburyCCPlayer]

It seem as though the Bajans were calling the shot in this one...and terribly at that.

Two RHB at the crease and Chase is bowling...it would have been a perfect time to introduce Motie into the attack. The captaincy was very laid back. No initiative whatsoever.

In fairness, Motie didn’t look very threatening, there’s a big drop off in your bowling from Joseph and then Seales

 

[Thala_0710]

Not to the extent where someone could end up almost 10k runs ahead?

Yeah most have it around 5-6k. Punter is around 9k ahead of Warner in second. Sachin was 10k ahead of the rest before Kohli cutting it down recently.

 

[Molehill]

Yeah most have it around 5-6k. Punter is around 9k ahead of Warner in second. Sachin was 10k ahead of the rest before Kohli cutting it down recently.

Surprised Smith isn't closer to Ponting.

Wonder if Brook or Bethell may end up closest to Root given their multi format abilities, but it's the ability to be great for 14+ years which stands out for all of the leaders.

 

[Chin Music]

Surprised Smith isn't closer to Ponting.

Wonder if Brook or Bethell may end up closest to Root given their multi format abilities, but it's the ability to be great for 14+ years which stands out for all of the leaders.

My guess is that Smith hasn't played anywhere near as much ODIs as Ponting because the latter was largely pre the t20 era.

 

[Molehill]

My guess is that Smith hasn't played anywhere near as much ODIs as Ponting because the latter was largely pre the t20 era.

Yeah, that's the huge factor. Never realised Ponting actually has more ODI runs than Test. He played 375 ODI's compared to Smith's 170.

The slow death of ODI's probably means these overall numbers will never be challenged.

 

[Chin Music]

Yeah, that's the huge factor. Never realised Ponting actually has more ODI runs than Test. He played 375 ODI's compared to Smith's 170.

The slow death of ODI's probably means these overall numbers will never be challenged.

I remember that back in the day, India played Australia in 7 match series. I thought wtf back then about that. Can't help thinking that in a roundabout way, events like that have contributed to the demise. To the credit of this forum, they have called out meaningless ODIs quite well, from what I can see.

 

[Molehill]

I remember that back in the day, India played Australia in 7 match series. I thought wtf back then about that. Can't help thinking that in a roundabout way, events like that have contributed to the demise. To the credit of this forum, they have called out meaningless ODIs quite well, from what I can see.

But then also you'd get some interesting storylines developing through the longer series....Flintoff shirt waving was at the end of a 3-3. England in 2007 being abysmal at the start of the CB Series before turning it around.

And I still maintain that an ODI is the best day out at the cricket. Guaranteed to see your team bat and bowl, you get a result, you get a full day. Those in Cardiff yesterday will probably have the best VFM for any cricket played all Summer. 97 overs, 600+ runs, two tons, 18 wickets and a close finish.

 

[Chin Music]

But then also you'd get some interesting storylines developing through the longer series....Flintoff shirt waving was at the end of a 3-3. England in 2007 being abysmal at the start of the CB Series before turning it around.

And I still maintain that an ODI is the best day out at the cricket. Guaranteed to see your team bat and bowl, you get a result, you get a full day. Those in Cardiff yesterday will probably have the best VFM for any cricket played all Summer. 97 overs, 600+ runs, two tons, 18 wickets and a close finish.

But the CB trophy for one was nothing but a tournament prep for the 2007 World Cup. I take your point about days out. I was at the tied game in 2005 that was the tri series final, so I definitely had a good time there. But as a fan, I found multi match bilateral series as dull as ditch water. That said, I don't much keep in touch with the IPL or any other franchise tournament.

 

[Molehill]

But the CB trophy for one was nothing but a tournament prep for the 2007 World Cup. I take your point about days out. I was at the tied game in 2005 that was the tri series final, so I definitely had a good time there. But as a fan, I found multi match bilateral series as dull as ditch water. That said, I don't much keep in touch with the IPL or any other franchise tournament.

We lost ODI's and we got Franchise T20!!! Those complaining about JAMODIS should've been more careful what they wished for.

 

[Ali TT]

But the CB trophy for one was nothing but a tournament prep for the 2007 World Cup. I take your point about days out. I was at the tied game in 2005 that was the tri series final, so I definitely had a good time there. But as a fan, I found multi match bilateral series as dull as ditch water. That said, I don't much keep in touch with the IPL or any other franchise tournament.

From an England fan perspective a lot of the issue was that we were pretty terrible at ODIs during much of the 00s and early 10s when the long ODI series and 3-team tournaments were fashionable, so interest would soon dissipate!

 

[wpdavid]

From an England fan perspective a lot of the issue was that we were pretty terrible at ODIs during much of the 00s and early 10s when the long ODI series and 3-team tournaments were fashionable, so interest would soon dissipate!

My vote for the worst series was the 0-5 at home to Sri Lanka in 2006.
I think we also lost a 7 match series 6-1, but I can't remember who that was against.

Probably our worst trilateral series was against Aus and Pakistan in 2001.


Away series don't count.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Without the Monday morning QB-ing, with two RHB in and you have an SLA…most often captains would bring on them…not try to buy a wicket with the off-spinner.

Captaincy: 0/10

 

[LangleyburyCCPlayer]

What instigated the move away from multi-format tours? It’s harder to get up for what seems like random white ball series when there are no Tests either before or after against that opposition

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

What instigated the move away from multi-format tours? It’s harder to get up for what seems like random white ball series when there are no Tests either before or after against that opposition

I think that it is simple…

White ball = more —> more

(This is obvious for non-BIG3 teams)