Viv Richards vs Steve Smith

[subshakerz]

Smith’s post peak
48 Tests. 3298 runs. Avg of 45. 10 centuries.
Considering this is a bowling era, isn’t that good?

Yes it is quite good. But the problem is Sachin and Tendulkar had earlier peaks in more competitive and less flat era.

 

[DrWolverine]

Lara continued to have eye issues throughout his career. And we are talking about facing 90 MPH deliveries, even a slight decrease will affect you.

If it is something else, then I can understand.

If it is pterygium, 100% recovery. That is not an excuse for doing well against express pace.

 

[subshakerz]

Even then, it is a small peak.

Even if you include WSC, his peak lasted like 5 years which is still quite short.

Viv was 76 to 81. Smith was 2014 to 2019. Same period. It's just that Smith played more tests.

Tendulkar was 97 to 2002 but he was still worldclass 93 to 96.

Longevity will always be in Tendulkars favor.

 

[subshakerz]

If it is something else, then I can understand.

If it is pterygium, 100% recovery. That is not an excuse for doing well against express pace.

Maybe. Even early career it was noted that Lara didn't like deliveries aimed at his body. Perhaps that's why he scored tons easier in ODIs against those bowlers since there was bouncer restrictions.

 

[DrWolverine]

Yes it is quite good. But the problem is Sachin and Tendulkar had earlier peaks in more competitive and less flat era.

Even if his peak wasn’t as huge as Viv, Sachin’s peak lasted for a very long time. 1992-2002 :
92 Tests. 8145 runs. 30 centuries. Avg of 60.95.

I mean that I literally more runs, more Tests and more centuries than what Gary Sobers did in his career.

 

[Johan]

Viv up to the end of his peak

44 matches 3969 @ 62.01 13 tons 16 fifties (44.8% conversion)

Viv post peak

77 matches 4571 @ 43.12 11 tons 29 fifties (27.5% conversion)

For reference, Border has a 30% conversion rate. And with Root’s recent surge, Viv has the lowest career conversion rate - 34.78% - (besides Border) of any ATG batsman.

what does Sachin average after his peak without Bangladesh?

 

[Sliferxxxx]

If it is something else, then I can understand.

If it is pterygium, 100% recovery. That is not an excuse for doing well against express pace.

Watch the entire 2000 series vs England. Lara was playing in sun glasses throughout because of his eye issues.

 

[Coronis]

what does Sachin average after his peak without Bangladesh?

idk

 

[Johan]

idk

Yeah, it's 45, kind of wild how similar the averages become.

 

[subshakerz]

what does Sachin average after his peak without Bangladesh?

I already shared with them

 

[Johan]

I already shared with them

Oh, Nice.

 

[Coronis]

Yeah, it's 45, kind of wild how similar the averages become.

Are we talking about his first peak, or his second peak or?

 

[Johan]

Are we talking about his first peak, or his second peak or?

NZ series 2002-13

 

[kyear2]

Smith’s post peak
48 Tests. 3298 runs. Avg of 45. 10 centuries.
Considering this is a bowling era, isn’t that good?

A lot of his peak was also quite a bit focused on a very flat era.

Actually Sachin's and Lara's 2nd peaks also came during especially flat eras.

Again, Viv was the only one of this top 7 who didn't get to experience a flat era.

He (and to a slightly lesser extent Sobers) also never got to fill their boots vs full out minnows, Viv never even got minnows lite.

 

[subshakerz]

A lot of his peak was also quite a bit focused on a very flat era.

Actually Sachin's and Lara's 2nd peaks also came during especially flat eras.

Again, Viv was the only one of this top 7 who didn't get to experience a flat era.

He (and to a slightly lesser extent Sobers) also never got to fill their boots vs full out minnows, Viv never even got minnows lite.

Overall output mostly evens out.

 

[Johan]

Viv – Peak
Sachin – Longevity

That's all there is to it folks.

 

[DrWolverine]

He (and to a slightly lesser extent Sobers) also never got to fill their boots vs full out minnows, Viv never even got minnows lite.

Maybe not full minnows.

But he played :
8 vs NZ
12 vs Pak
18 vs Ind

With the exception of maybe India at the fag end of his career, all 3 were were weak teams back then

Surprisingly Sobers wasn’t good against NZ.

But against India & Pakistan, he feasted on them to the highest extents possible.

vs India : 12 Tests. 1920 runs @ 83. 8 centuries
vs Pak : 8 Tests. 984 runs @ 89. 3 centuries.

 

[Johan]

Sachin also feasted on 1990s Sri Lanka but we don't take that out of his record do we? Sobers also faced frontline quaret Indian spinners in 1966-67 and 1971.

Averaged 85.

 

[DrWolverine]

Viv – Peak
Sachin – Longevity

That's all there is to it folks.

Not that simple.

Yes Viv had a higher peak in the sense he was dominant and destroyed best bowlers then with ease.

If we use innings 80 innings to classify peak, Sachin scored more runs at a better average.

 

[DrWolverine]

Sobers also faced frontline quaret Indian spinners in 1966-67 and 1971.

Bedi’s debut.
Chandra was in 3rd year and played just 7 matches.

Sachin also feasted on 1990s Sri Lanka but we don't take that out of his record do we?

By your logic we should take this into account since Murali was playing his 11th match in the 1994 series.
P. S : Murali took 12 wickets in 3 innings.