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Who is the 2nd greatest no 3 batsman?

2nd best no 3 batsman?

  • Viv Richards

    Votes: 8 36.4%

  • Kumar sangakkara

    Votes: 3 13.6%

  • Bc Lara

    Votes: 4 18.2%

  • Ricky Ponting

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Rahul Dravid

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Kane Williamson

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • WR Hammond

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • K Barrington

    Votes: 1 4.5%

  • G Headley

    Votes: 6 27.3%

  • Other

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    22
Coronis

Coronis

Hall of Fame Member
vidiq said:
Can we say the same thing about Ponting, Boarder, Steve Waugh ,
Who also batted in multiple batting position?
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Erm, not really? As shown above Ponting was really a specialist 3. And iirc the majority of his non 3 innings came early during his career when he was yet to establish himself and had little to no influence on where he would bat. Waugh was always a lower order bat. Border batted basically anywhere from 3-6 wherever the team needed him. Would liken him most to Sobers.
 
shortpitched713

shortpitched713

Cricketer Of The Year
Thala_0710 said:
Lara is not a no 3. Viv idts can be placed as a proper no 3 in tests. Hammond is more of a no 4, not sure about Barrington either.
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Why not?

Great batsmen move around in the order all the time. They performed great there whenever asked so for me they are great candidates for any upper-middle/middle order batting slots.

Like, if for some reason I had to pick an all time team, and my opponent offered me Bradman, but only if he batted at position 4, where he "only" averaged 54, I'm still taking him as my first choice batsman over every other batsman who ever lived. Generally speaking the batting order positions don't matter that much, as the greats simply adapt. Opener is kind of specialized but ultimately it's not like great middle order bats suddenly stop functioning when they see the second new ball. Batting is batting, for the most part.
 
Thala_0710

Thala_0710

International Regular
shortpitched713 said:
Why not?

Great batsmen move around in the order all the time. They performed great there whenever asked so for me they are great candidates for any upper-middle/middle order batting slots.

Like, if for some reason I had to pick an all time team, and my opponent offered me Bradman, but only if he batted at position 4, where he "only" averaged 54, I'm still taking him as my first choice batsman over every other batsman who ever lived. Generally speaking the batting order positions don't matter that much, as the greats simply adapt. Opener is kind of specialized but ultimately it's not like great middle order bats suddenly stop functioning when they see the second new ball. Batting is batting, for the most part.
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I mean of course yes, but then there's no point in asking the best no 3/4/5 or any specific batting position. I could choose Sachin here as well.
 
Johan

Johan

International Coach
Coronis said:
Just to have some fun with everyone and perpuate my “hatred”. Viv’s peak is generally considered 76-81.

Up until that point of his career he played mostly at 3. However when he started to decline seems like he started to hide down the order, no?
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He was probably not good enough to play at 3 anymore, would average sub 50 if he didn't hide and downhill sky at 4 and 5. Harvey was better.
 
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kyear2

kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
Coronis said:
Just to have some fun with everyone and perpuate my “hatred”. Viv’s peak is generally considered 76-81.

Up until that point of his career he played mostly at 3. However when he started to decline seems like he started to hide down the order, no?
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It's tricky, because as you said almost his entire peak was spent at 3.

Wouldn't use the word hide, but that what they did in the Caribbean as they got older and new guys came in, same with Lloyd. Richardson was the young buck and was initially an opener, no. 3 was the natural position for him as he established himself.
 
Coronis

Coronis

Hall of Fame Member
capt_Luffy said:
Bradman averages as much more than Sachin as Sachin does than Bumrah.
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I wonder what number people would actually put on the distance between players. Like I’ve seen multiple people say difference between Bradman and #2 is greater than #2 and #100. I’ve also seen one poster say that’s ridiculous. Using middle order batsmen to be consistent, finish the following sentence.

Tendulkar is to Bradman as x is to Tendulkar.

How far down does it go?
 
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