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Jacques Kallis vs Imran Khan

Who is the greater test cricketer?

  • Imran but it’s close

    Votes: 18 60.0%

  • Imran and it’s not close

    Votes: 9 30.0%

  • Kallis but it’s close

    Votes: 3 10.0%

  • Kallis and it’s not close

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    30
sayon basak

sayon basak

Cricketer Of The Year
Migara said:
RPI is affected by not outs. He had a lot of not outs.

He had charisma. He ran your boys at their absolute best to draws and you needed cheating to get out of the hole. That is what Imran had. You guys are absolutely bitter about how Imran gave your best sides in the history a run for the money, despite not having the best side that played for his country.

And he became the PM. That is charisma plus if you want to consider.
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Yeah, that really adds to his cricketing ability, I believe.
 
subshakerz

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Bolo. said:
But we can see how badly Imran crashed from workload.
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What are you basing this off?

You can't penalises Imran as a frontline bowler for not playing 166 games. Bats just have different careers.
 
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subshakerz

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Migara said:
You guys are absolutely bitter about how Imran gave your best sides in the history a run for the money, despite not having the best side that played for his country.
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Lol this could be one theory for why Kyear is so anti-Imran.
 
subshakerz

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Bolo. said:
Imran was far more than a frontline bowler. In addition to being one of the best who has ever played, he carried a stupid workload in his peak. Very few quicks have carried that kind of load and level of responsibility. And that workload is just his bowling. He did a ton of batting too. Possibly captaincy as well in terms of workload. I've never captained, and don't know if it makes a difference. But his workload shut him down repeatedly. Couldn't bowl for a nearly a couple of years at his peak. Early retirement before coming back. And couldn't bowl at the end.
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You don't seem to know the context of Imran's career at all.

Imran broke down in 83 due to a shin injury but it wasn't just a workload thing. It was due to poor medical standards in Pakistan where his hairline fracture was completely missed by doctors and he kept bowling what should have been a routine injury that could heal quickly became far worse and he was out two years. Lillee was out for a back fracture for a couple of years but nobody accuses him of not shouldering workload.

He retired early because he wanted to leave at his peak after the 87 WC. Then he came back and had an ATG series in WI.

And by the end he was nearing 40, older than Kallis.


The only way Kallis has more workload is because he was a batting AR and their workload is far more manageable test by test and they can have a longer career. Though Imran had a longer career than Kallis.
 
subshakerz

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Bolo. said:
If Kallis had played 88 tests, and not needed to hold back on his pace or amount bowling per game due to workload, it would have probably been Kallis.
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So if Kallis had taken a full bowling workload for those 88 tests, how much would he average as a bat?
 
B

Bolo.

International Captain
subshakerz said:
What are you basing this off?
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Full time player from 77.
Couldn't play/bowl in 84 and 85.
Temporary retirement in 8
8.
Couldn't bowl from 90ish.

Think I have the dates right. Feel free to correct if a bit off.

Written before your next post, but no time to finish. Sorry, busy evening.


subshakerz said:
You don't seem to know the context of Imran's career at all.

Imran broke down in 83 due to a shin injury but it wasn't just a workload thing. It was due to poor medical standards in Pakistan where his hairline fracture was completely missed by doctors and he kept bowling what should have been a routine injury that could heal quickly became far worse and he was out two years. Lillee was out for a back fracture for a couple of years but nobody accuses him of not shouldering workload.

He retired early because he wanted to leave at his peak after the 87 WC. Then he came back and had an ATG series in WI.

And by the end he was nearing 40, older than Kallis.


The only way Kallis has more workload is because he was a batting AR and their workload is far more manageable test by test and they can have a longer career. Though Imran had a longer career than Kallis.
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Yes, mostly fair. Batting AR workload is more manageable. But see the data on them i posted above.
 
subshakerz

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Bolo. said:
Yes, mostly fair. Batting AR workload is more manageable. But see the data on them i posted above.
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The only reason Kallis played much more tests is because a) SA just played more cricket tours than Pakistan and b) Imran had gaps in his career but these were either very young age, WSC, freak injury or early retirement.

Give his cumulative workload is less relevant since as a bat he has the advantage of being able to sustain a peak longer and hence a test career too. The only reason Imran's career is longer is because he became a full bat by the end of it and started unusually young but it's not because of him not being able to sustain workload. He has several 4 to 6 test series where he delivered with both bat and bowl in his career.
 
Coronis

Coronis

Hall of Fame Member
subshakerz said:
The only reason Kallis played much more tests is because a) SA just played more cricket tours than Pakistan and b) Imran had gaps in his career but these were either very young age, WSC, freak injury or early retirement.

Give his cumulative workload is less relevant since as a bat he has the advantage of being able to sustain a peak longer and hence a test career too. The only reason Imran's career is longer is because he became a full bat by the end of it and started unusually young but it's not because of him not being able to sustain workload. He has several 4 to 6 test series where he delivered with both bat and bowl in his career.
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I think the guy who doesn’t fake a retirement is more valuable to my team then the guy who does tbh
 
subshakerz

subshakerz

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Coronis said:
I think the guy who doesn’t fake a retirement is more valuable to my team then the guy who does tbh
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Lol Imran Khan had every intention to retire he was literally demanded by the head of state of the time Zia Ul Haq to come out of retirement.
 
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