A Very Special Player Comparison - World Cup Edition - Glen McGrath v Sachin Tendulkar

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McGrath
Viv
Sachin
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[HouHsiaoHsien]

Wow getting Tendulkar wicket in the final. Must be really big task. Surely nobody else has done that. He always had a knack for going big at big moments.

He was being sent to cleaners by Sehwag. It was actually Lee who was bowled well in the final and throughout the WC.

Starc bowled to a far superior Indian batting lineup in 2015 and returned with way better figures.

Not sure that the Indian lineup in 2015 was far superior with their best batter being out of form in 2015, and Rohit wasn't in great form during the WC either. Plus Tendulkar was in peak form in 2003 WC.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Mcgrath was just unfairly good. He wasn’t as fast as Marshall or Akhtar, Couldn’t move the ball at will like Akram. But he always got his man. And was the best World Cup performer I’ve seen and it’s not all that close

Viv Richards. Dominated WC knockouts more than any individual except Gilchrist. McGrath was not the main cause of victory in any final for Aus.

 

[Silver Silva]

Viv Richards. Dominated WC knockouts more than any individual except Gilchrist. McGrath was not the main cause of victory in any final for Aus.

The first World Cup that West Indies won , Viv Richards averaged 12 , Glenn McGrath played a major role in every World Cup winning Australian team in his era. McGrath played in 4 World Cups and helped the team to a final in every tournament, winning 3 and he was more consistent than Gilchrist in World Cups , who wasn't very good in 1999 WC and only had like one big knock in 07 which was the final itself..

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

The first World Cup that West Indies won , Viv Richards averaged 12 , Glenn McGrath played a major role in every World Cup winning Australian team in his era. McGrath played in 4 World Cups and helped the team to a final in every tournament, winning 3 and he was more consistent than Gilchrist in World Cups , who wasn't very good in 1999 WC and only had like one big knock in 07 which was the final itself..

I was just referring about Gilly in finals. Mcgrath averaged 43 in 1996. Viv outright dominated 79 and 83(including knockouts). Viv was great in 87 as well. Both have three great WCs and one poor WC. Viv’s greater performances in knockouts have me rating him higher. Btw Viv’s three runouts in 1975 WC final were very decisive too.

 

[Silver Silva]

I was just referring about Gilly in finals. Mcgrath averaged 43 in 1996. Viv outright dominated 79 and 83(including knockouts). Viv was great in 87 as well. Both have three great WCs and one poor WC. Viv’s greater performances in knockouts have me rating him higher. Btw Viv’s three runouts in 1975 WC final were very decisive too.

Best performance is when you play great and your team wins the tournament, McGrath is 3-1 to Viv in that regard and you can't say West Indies weren't a great team in the 80's either which was a stick used to beat McGrath with for some reason in earlier posts by others.

Also McGrath dominating everyone at 37 in the 2007 WC doesn't get the credit it deserves , it's much harder to dominate with the ball than bat as you get older , this was a testament to McGrath's quality and consistency.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Best performance is when you play great and your team wins the tournament, McGrath is 3-1 to Viv in that regard and you can't say West Indies weren't a great team in the 80's either which was a stick used to beat McGrath with for some reason in earlier posts by others.

Also McGrath dominating everyone at 37 in the 2007 WC doesn't get the credit it deserves , it's much harder to dominate with the ball than bat as you get older , this was a testament to McGrath's quality and consistency.

They surely weren’t as good as Aus 2003 or 2007 in 1987. I don’t agree with the above. And it’s not like Mcgrath single handedly propelled Aus to victory. 1999, Warne had a bigger hand than Mcgrath. About Mcgrath at 37, Richards was primarily a reflex based batsmen and despite his eye surgery, he dominated 1983 and 1987. By your logic you would Joe Root>Rohit at 2019 WC, just cause Eng won. What matter is Viv dominated those WCs, and did well in the knockouts unlike say Sachin, who also dominated WCs, but failed in the knockouts aside from a very lucky 85 vs Pak.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Also Viv was very clearly the best batter from WI in 79,83,87. Lee was better than Mcgrath in 2003(a WC in which McGrath’s figures are inflated by the 7 wickets he took against Namibia). Warne was better than Mcgrath in 1999.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

How many players will McGrath have to fight off in this thread , hes been compared to Viv , Gilchrist,
Starc , Tendulkar , Warne etc .. clearly shows he did something right.

 

[Silver Silva]

They surely weren’t as good as Aus 2003 or 2007 in 1987. I don’t agree with the above. And it’s not like Mcgrath single handedly propelled Aus to victory. 1999, Warne had a bigger hand than Mcgrath. About Mcgrath at 37, Richards was primarily a reflex based batsmen and despite his eye surgery, he dominated 1983 and 1987. By your logic you would Joe Root>Rohit at 2019 WC, just cause Eng won. What matter is Viv dominated those WCs, and did well in the knockouts unlike say Sachin, who also dominated WCs, but failed in the knockouts aside from a very lucky 85 vs Pak.

Absolutely I would have Joe Root's World Cup over Rohit Sharma , he had a great WC and ended up lifting the trophy.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

How many players will McGrath have to fight off in this thread , hes been compared to Viv , Gilchrist,
Starc , Tendulkar , Warne etc .. clearly shows he did something right.

Starc will easily overtake both Viv and Mcgrath, if he ends up amongst the top 2/3 wicket takers again. Will have dominated WCs in all conditions then.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Absolutely I would have Joe Root's World Cup over Rohit Sharma , he had a great WC and ended up lifting the trophy.

Fine, that’s still reasonable. But compare Viv’s 1983(which WI lost) with McGrath’s 2003 or 2007. In 83, Viv dominates Kapil Dev, Imran Khan, Lilee/Thomson etc. In 2003 and 2007, I struggle to remember any match winning performance Mcgrath had against a great batting lineup. If not for Sachin’s wicket(and Ind had been batted out of the game in the first innings itself) in the final, Lee and Symonds would be remembered more as they rightly should for that WC. Same goes for 2007.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

How many players will McGrath have to fight off in this thread , hes been compared to Viv , Gilchrist,
Starc , Tendulkar , Warne etc .. clearly shows he did something right.

He just has a bigger reputation than the others. Still magnificent. 2nd best after Viv.

 

[Burgey]

Wow getting Tendulkar wicket in the final. Must be really big task. Surely nobody else has done that.

TBF you're right, a lot of people got him cheaply in games when it counted most, which is why Tendulkar is so massively over rated in ODIs - he never stepped up when it mattered most for India but cashed in when it didn't. Basically stats-padded his way through JAMODI after JAMODI and took the gas when it really counted. I've been making this point for years, and have finally found an Indian supporter whose head isn't neck-deep in Tendulkar's arse and who gets it too. Thank ****.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

TBF you're right, a lot of people got him cheaply in games when it counted most, which is why Tendulkar is so massively over rated in ODIs - he never stepped up when it mattered most for India but cashed in when it didn't. Basically stats-padded his way through JAMODI after JAMODI and took the gas when it really counted. I've been making this point for years, and have finally found an Indian supporter whose head isn't neck-deep in Tendulkar's arse and who gets it too. Thank ****.

You would say that in certain league stage matches of a WC and that in SFs(where Tendulkar has two crucial knocks), where Tendulkar played well, can’t be counted as JAMODIs. Because while Viv and Mcgrath are better in ODI WCs than him, Sachin did end up as the highest scorer in two WCs, and amongst the top two in another. So all those WC matches where he did well must not all be JAMODIs? Plus do you think even someone like Kohli is overrated by this measure?

 

[Burgey]

The Brisbane Broncos of WC finals.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

You would say that in certain league stage matches of a WC and that in SFs(where Tendulkar has two crucial knocks), where Tendulkar played well, can’t be counted as JAMODIs. Because while Viv and Mcgrath are better in ODI WCs than him, Sachin did end up as the highest scorer in two WCs, and amongst the top two in another. So all those WC matches where he did well must not all be JAMODIs? Plus do you think even someone like Kohli is overrated by this measure?

Even tho when it purely comes to finals, Kohli has played a decent knock in the 2011 final and crucial knocks in 2013 CT SF and F.