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Hoggard vs Lillee

Better Test bowler

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ashley bach

International Coach
LOL this must be a windup. 5-1 already in Hoggard's favour?
Anyone care to elaborate why he might of been better or has PEWS got you all on the payroll.
 
Howe_zat

Howe_zat

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Both Dennis Lillee and Matthew Hoggard were exceptional fast bowlers in their own right, but comparing them directly can be a bit challenging due to the differences in eras, playing conditions, and styles of play. Here's a brief overview of both bowlers:

Dennis Lillee:

  • Dennis Lillee is widely regarded as one of the greatest fast bowlers in the history of cricket.
  • He played for the Australian cricket team from the 1970s to the early 1980s.
  • Lillee was known for his aggressive and fiery bowling style. He had a high arm action, great pace, and the ability to generate significant bounce and movement off the pitch.
  • He was part of the famous fast-bowling quartet known as the "Lillee-Thomson" partnership, along with Jeff Thomson.
  • Lillee finished his Test career with 355 wickets in 70 matches.
Matthew Hoggard:

  • Matthew Hoggard was an English fast-medium bowler who played primarily in the 2000s.
  • He was known for his skillful swing and seam bowling, often relying on movement rather than pure pace.
  • Hoggard was part of the successful England cricket team that regained the Ashes in 2005.
  • He was known for his consistency and ability to adapt to different conditions, which made him a valuable asset to the team.
  • Hoggard took 248 wickets in 67 Test matches during his career.
Comparing the two is somewhat subjective and depends on the criteria you use. Lillee was known for his pace, aggression, and remarkable skill, while Hoggard was known for his movement, accuracy, and ability to exploit swing and seam conditions effectively.

In terms of statistics and impact, Lillee's record and influence on the game are generally considered to be greater, as he is often mentioned in discussions about the all-time great fast bowlers. However, cricket fans' opinions can vary based on personal preferences and factors like the era in which they grew up watching the game. Both Lillee and Hoggard were exceptional cricketers who left their mark on the sport in their respective eras.
 
Adorable Asshole

Adorable Asshole

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Howe_zat said:
Both Dennis Lillee and Matthew Hoggard were exceptional fast bowlers in their own right, but comparing them directly can be a bit challenging due to the differences in eras, playing conditions, and styles of play. Here's a brief overview of both bowlers:

Dennis Lillee:

  • Dennis Lillee is widely regarded as one of the greatest fast bowlers in the history of cricket.
  • He played for the Australian cricket team from the 1970s to the early 1980s.
  • Lillee was known for his aggressive and fiery bowling style. He had a high arm action, great pace, and the ability to generate significant bounce and movement off the pitch.
  • He was part of the famous fast-bowling quartet known as the "Lillee-Thomson" partnership, along with Jeff Thomson.
  • Lillee finished his Test career with 355 wickets in 70 matches.
Matthew Hoggard:

  • Matthew Hoggard was an English fast-medium bowler who played primarily in the 2000s.
  • He was known for his skillful swing and seam bowling, often relying on movement rather than pure pace.
  • Hoggard was part of the successful England cricket team that regained the Ashes in 2005.
  • He was known for his consistency and ability to adapt to different conditions, which made him a valuable asset to the team.
  • Hoggard took 248 wickets in 67 Test matches during his career.
Comparing the two is somewhat subjective and depends on the criteria you use. Lillee was known for his pace, aggression, and remarkable skill, while Hoggard was known for his movement, accuracy, and ability to exploit swing and seam conditions effectively.

In terms of statistics and impact, Lillee's record and influence on the game are generally considered to be greater, as he is often mentioned in discussions about the all-time great fast bowlers. However, cricket fans' opinions can vary based on personal preferences and factors like the era in which they grew up watching the game. Both Lillee and Hoggard were exceptional cricketers who left their mark on the sport in their respective eras.
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You should have told Chatgpt about PEWS standardised average.
 
Howe_zat

Howe_zat

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Adorable Asshole said:
You should have told Chatgpt about PEWS standardised average.
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I appreciate the additional information. Cricket statistics and comparisons can be quite nuanced and subject to various interpretations. If a cricket forum member has compiled a list of standardized averages that suggests Matthew Hoggard's bowling average is better than Dennis Lillee's, it's important to consider the methodology used in creating that list.

Standardized averages often take into account factors such as the era in which a player played, the conditions they played in, the quality of opposition, and other contextual elements. These factors can help provide a more balanced comparison between players from different time periods. However, even with standardized averages, different people may still have differing opinions on who was the better bowler based on various subjective factors.

It's worth noting that while statistics are a valuable tool in evaluating a player's performance, they don't capture the full story of a player's impact on the game, their influence on their team's success, and the intangibles that can set certain players apart.

Ultimately, whether one considers Matthew Hoggard's standardized bowling average to be better than Dennis Lillee's or not, both players had notable careers and left their mark on the sport in their own right. Cricket fans often enjoy these debates as they contribute to the rich history and discussion of the game.
 
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