Is there a team that can beat this Asian ODI XI?

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Sanga yes, but Dhoni's not getting near the side as a batsman so shouldn't be picked over good keepers based on his 'batting'.

Actually Dhoni is better, he bats below 5 mostly. Averaged 38 overall.
Sanga batted only in top order and averaged 40.
I prefer 38 averaging number 6 than 40 averaging number 3 as WK.

 

[h_hurricane]

Hahaha I was thinking the last time I opened the thread that the only thing that could make this more peak PFK was a Procter a reference, and you delivered.

Kudos. I cbf with it but you're a great forum personality.

PFK is an acronym for Procter Fan & Kapil's

 

[TheJediBrah]

Better stats than Kapil outside SC?
0.5 difference in avg from 1/4 matches?
Lesser number of wickets per match?
Shoaib SR is better, Kapil ER is better
Kapil had zero support, sustained longer..
Shoaib played in slightly tougher era.
All things considered, they are equals as bowlers... And you know Kapil is galaxies ahead in batting.

Bro . . . you're playing against an ATG team. Shoaib is way more likely to be dangerous than Kapil. Kapil isn't going to consistently trouble a Bradman, Viv, Hobbs etc. Shoaib has the ability to rip through a few of those guys on a good day

 

[h_hurricane]

Bro . . . you're playing against an ATG team. Shoaib is way more likely to be dangerous than Kapil. Kapil isn't going to consistently trouble a Bradman, Viv, Hobbs etc. Shoaib has the ability to rip through a few of those guys on a good day

Kapil averaged 24.89 against the WI with the ball. Also dismissed Viv 7 times in 19 matches,. Pretty sure he did very well against him. So it is not even an assumption that he wouldn't do well against an ATG batter.

 

[subshakerz]

Imran was helped by not outs ?

Haha new excuses.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Bro . . . you're playing against an ATG team. Shoaib is way more likely to be dangerous than Kapil. Kapil isn't going to consistently trouble a Bradman, Viv, Hobbs etc. Shoaib has the ability to rip through a few of those guys on a good day

Kapil do that when batting against ATG bowlers.. While being a world class 5th bowler. He can controll run flow better than Shoaib and more consistent in that. I do have Akram, Imran, Murali and Waquar to take care of other issues.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Haha new excuses.

Ok.. How about this?
Imran scored only 2 centuries between 1971 and 1986.. Pretty much his career as an ATG bowler.

 

[subshakerz]

Kapil averaged 24.89 against the WI with the ball. Also dismissed Viv 7 times in 19 matches,. Pretty sure he did very well against him. So it is not even an assumption that he wouldn't do well against an ATG batter.

Yeah but its like arguing to include Laxman in an ATG XI because of his performances against Australia. Sometime you may have a very good player do well against great opposition and punch above his weight, but you wouldnt bank on that in an ATG team. Kapil of course as an all-rounder is more than a very good player, but as a bowler not quite.

 

[subshakerz]

Ok.. How about this?
Imran scored only 2 centuries between 1971 and 1986.. Pretty much his career as an ATG bowler.

No, his career as a bowler was until 1988 when he had his last great series as a bowler against the WI. He peak as a bowler was from 1980 to 1988 and he scored 4 centuries and 10 fifties in that time, averaging 40 with the bat and 17 with the ball. Nothing Kapil did matches that as an allrounder.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yeah but its like arguing to include Laxman in an ATG XI because of his performances against Australia.

Oh I agree then. I'd pick Laxman ahead of any of those other guys not named Sachin

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Yeah but its like arguing to include Laxman in an ATG XI because of his performances against Australia. Sometime you may have a good player do well against great opposition and punch above his weight, but you wouldnt bank on that in an ATG team.

VVS with Sobers level bowling any day better than a Ganguly.

 

[subshakerz]

Oh I agree then. I'd pick Laxman ahead of any of those other guys not named Sachin

Really, you would play Laxman ahead of Gavaskar and Sanga against Hadlee, Marshall, McGrath, etc?

 

[h_hurricane]

Yeah but its like arguing to include Laxman in an ATG XI because of his performances against Australia. Sometime you may have a very good player do well against great opposition and punch above his weight, but you wouldnt bank on that in an ATG team. Kapil of course as an all-rounder is more than a very good player, but as a bowler not quite.

I am not arguing anything. Just mentioned that it is incorrect to assume that he wouldn't do well against an ATG batsman, because he did well against the same batsman in a real scenario.

It is not even a debate, it is a fact.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

No, his career as a bowler was until 1988 when he had his last great series as a bowler against the WI. He peak as a bowler was from 1980 to 1988 and he scored 4 centuries and 10 fifties in that time, averaging 40 with the bat and 17 with the ball. Nothing Kapil did matches that as an allrounder.

Imran averaged 30 with 2 centuries until he turned 35. Thats Hadlee level Batting.
He scored 2 centuries in 1987, but his bowling decline was evident as he took less than 3 wickets per match at 29+ avg.

 

[trundler]

Just wanted to add that Kapil is surplus to requirements in an ATXI because of Imran and I'd rather have Shakib to get a 2nd spin option or a better bowler like Ashwin.

 

[Burgey]

Really, you would play Laxman ahead of Gavaskar and Sanga against Hadlee, Marshall, McGrath, etc?

He had a knack for making runs against the best team of his era tbf. Aussies always rate him very highly on that basis, myself included tbh. I'd have him ahead of Sangakkara vs those blokes, but it's not like it's an easy choice.

 

[subshakerz]

Imran averaged 30 with 2 centuries until he turned 35. Thats Hadlee level Batting.
He scored 2 centuries in 1987, but his bowling decline was evident as he took less than 3 wickets per match at 29+ avg.

He had a poor series with the ball on flat pitches in India in 86/87, and followed that up with 21 wickets at 21 in England in 87, along with scoring a ton in the series, and 23 wickets at 18 in WI in 88. After that he began to decline with the ball.

 

[srbhkshk]

I think an SC team with Kapil needs to have Engineer as the keeper as he can open the innings -

Gavaskar
Engineer +
Sangakkara (Dravid)
Tendulkar
Y Khan (Miandad)
Shakib ( Miandad if we go in with 5 bowlers - which is also fine)
K Dev
I Khan
W Akram
W Younis
Murali

 

[TheJediBrah]

He had a knack for making runs against the best team of his era tbf. Aussies always rate him very highly on that basis, myself included tbh. I'd have him ahead of Sangakkara vs those blokes, but it's not like it's an easy choice.

Lives in your area doesnt he

 

[subshakerz]

He had a knack for making runs against the best team of his era tbf. Aussies always rate him very highly on that basis, myself included tbh. I'd have him ahead of Sangakkara vs those blokes, but it's not like it's an easy choice.

I tend to think that some players have their strong teams that for whatever reason they do well against but that doesnt make them a higher quality player overall unless they have similar performances across teams.

Ijaz Ahmed did well against Australia and Azhar Mahmood did well against SA but they wont feature in my ATG Pakistan XI.