Is there a team that can beat this Asian ODI XI?

[honestbharani]

I don't think those 4 seamers are always as you'd often want 2 or 3 spinners

I don't think those 4 seamers are necessarily locks (just Imran and Wasim). There will also be conditions outside the SC when 2 spinners should be used. Interesting that Shakib rated (only just) ahead of Kapil in the CW allrounder vote a few months ago.

TBF, I am totally ok with it being a toss up between Shakib and Kapil for 7, but I honestly would find a way to sneak Shakib in at 5 anyways, so giving myself the best of both worlds. And even in that case, I would rather bring in a 3rd spinner for Waqar than sacrifice the allrounder at 7.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Its funny to argue that Kapil is not EASILY the best #7 option for an Asian Test XI. Very funny and pretty biased as usual from saltshakerz.

Imran, Shakib, Jadeja, or a wicketkeeper would be just as good an option.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Kapil averages nearly 30 overall with a SR of 63. He is a fine bowler but not a worldclass bowler no matter how you try to stretch it.

Shoaib played in a far tougher bowling era and had better number in and outside the SC. There is no doubt he is a better bowler than Kapil.

My point is that if you are in an ATG XI as an all-rounder, you are inevitably occupying a batting or bowling spot, so you need to be wordlclass level in that discipline to ensure there is no drop in quality.

Better stats than Kapil outside SC?
0.5 difference in avg from 1/4 matches?
Lesser number of wickets per match?
Shoaib SR is better, Kapil ER is better
Kapil had zero support, sustained longer..
Shoaib played in slightly tougher era.
All things considered, they are equals as bowlers... And you know Kapil is galaxies ahead in batting.

 

[subshakerz]

Why will Imran bat 7? I would bat him 8 and Wasim 9.

Imran is just a better bat than Kapil. If you want to call me biased, then so are most posters here putting him at no.7
Kapil doesn't really fit in the side unless you want to dilute the bowling quality.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

So to you Kapil over Imran EASILY?

Imran not eligible for any other position?

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Imran is just a better bat than Kapil. If you want to call me biased, then so are most posters here putting him at no.7
Kapil doesn't really fit in the side unless you want to dilute the bowling quality.

Whoa... Kapil was better batsman.

Imran became a better batsman than Kapil, only from late 80s, including Imran of that phase will surely dilute the bowling quality.

 

[Burgey]

Kapil averages nearly 30 overall with a SR of 63. He is a fine bowler but not a worldclass bowler no matter how you try to stretch it.

Shoaib played in a far tougher bowling era and had better number in and outside the SC. There is no doubt he is a better bowler than Kapil.

My point is that if you are in an ATG XI as an all-rounder, you are inevitably occupying a batting or bowling spot, so you need to be wordlclass level in that discipline to ensure there is no drop in quality.

I don't have a dog in this fight tbh, but Kapil also had a go every game he played.

 

[honestbharani]

Imran, Shakib, Jadeja, or a wicketkeeper would be just as good an option.

Nah... the only time you want a keeper at 7 is if your allrounder is at 6. Shakib is fine, but I honestly dont think Jaddu has done enough as a batsman for long enough to warrant being an allrounder in an ATG side.

 

[Migara]

1. Kapil averaged 34 at 8, it is likely to go up if he is in the company of Imran and Akram.
2. Kapil might bat higher than Imran, and possibly Dhoni too. ( 6/7 )
3. Most teams are fine with one AR, because thats what available. More is better if it does not compromise anything ( like in this case.. He is 5th best SC bowler anyway.. Without considering Bumrah )
4. Imran was more like Hadlee in batting until late 80s, I prefer a better batsman at 7.
5. Kapil is good enough to be picked as a bowler alone ( not considering Bumrah )

1. We don't need a 34 averaging bat at 8. A 22 averaging bowler who could average 15 with the bat would do.
2. At #7, We could use a keeper averaging 40 with the bat, and wvery good with the gloves (Dhoni) or a keeper averaging 30 bit ATG with gloves (PJ).
3. Kapil is not the 5th best bowler. Murali, Imran, Waqar, Wasim, Asif, Bumrah and Shoaib are infront of him as bowlers, perhaps Ashwin, Jadeja, Srinath and Shami too.
4. But it is NOT Kapil. Too weak to bat at an ATG side at 7.
5. Hell no.

 

[Migara]

That is a very good lineup.

There is no established Asian ATG wicketkeeper batsman yet and therefore Sanga takes the gloves.

To me if you are picking for all conditions, Kumble has to go in place of Ashwin as a pure spinner. They will still be unbeatable in Asia and more of a threat away from home. Plus you have a leggie and offie which is more complete.

Prasanna Jayawardene and Farokh Engineer are very good wicket keep bats. PJ is ATG with gloves.

 

[Prince EWS]

Wrong. Its Procter.

Hahaha I was thinking the last time I opened the thread that the only thing that could make this more peak PFK was a Procter a reference, and you delivered.

Kudos. I cbf with it but you're a great forum personality.

 

[Migara]

Kapil Dev is much more than regular ATG.
He was a combination of Anderson bowling and Klusner batting. His bowling skills alone ensures a selection in any team in the history ( possible exception 80s WI)

May be in ODIs. Not in tests.

 

[subshakerz]

Whoa... Kapil was better batsman.

Imran became a better batsman than Kapil, only from late 80s, including Imran of that phase will surely dilute the bowling quality.

Imran had three career phases
Averaging around 22 with the bat in 25 tests before his bowling peak
Averaging around 40 with the bat in 48 tests when he was a peak bowler
Averaging around 72 with the bat in his last 15 tests when past his bowling peak

Kapil had three career phases
Averaging around 42 with the bat in his first 10 tests before his bowling peaked
Averaging 27 with the bat in the next 52 tests during his bowling peak
Averaging 32 with the bat in his last 69 tests past his bowling peak

Imran was more consistent with the bat even when in his bowling peak than Kapil.

 

[Migara]

Wrong. Its Procter.

Nah, Rice

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Prasanna Jayawardene and Farokh Engineer are very good wicket keep bats. PJ is ATG with gloves.

Wasim Bari was an ATG keeper but would bat 9 or 10 in an ATG side.

 

[Migara]

Wasim Bari was an ATG keeper but would bat 9 or 10 in an ATG side.

Exact reason why PJ should be preferred if you need ATG keeping skills. But for me Dhoni or Sanga is good enough in this side.

 

[subshakerz]

Prasanna Jayawardene and Farokh Engineer are very good wicket keep bats. PJ is ATG with gloves.

Gloves yes. So was Wasim Bari and Rashid Latiff. But in this time you need at least a 30 average or so with the bat to be considered a wicketkeeper bat package along with good enough keeping skills, sorry Dhoni.

 

[Prince EWS]

Exact reason why PJ should be preferred if you need ATG keeping skills. But for me Dhoni or Sanga is good enough in this side.

Sanga yes, but Dhoni's not getting near the side as a batsman so shouldn't be picked over good keepers based on his 'batting'.

 

[subshakerz]

Sanga yes, but Dhoni's not getting near the side as a batsman so shouldn't be picked over good keepers based on his 'batting'.

Agreed. I would take Latif over Dhoni frankly.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Imran had three career phases
Averaging around 22 with the bat in 25 tests before his bowling peak
Averaging around 40 with the bat in 48 tests when he was a peak bowler
Averaging around 72 with the bat in his last 15 tests when past his bowling peak

Kapil had three career phases
Averaging around 42 with the bat in his first 10 tests before his bowling peaked
Averaging 27 with the bat in the next 52 tests during his bowling peak
Averaging 32 with the bat in his last 69 tests past his bowling peak

Imran was more consistent with the bat even when in his bowling peak than Kapil.

Imran was helped by not outs ?