Pap Finn Keighl
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Nah..
That too without considering fielding support and competition within the team.
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Is there a team that can beat this Asian ODI XI?
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That too without considering fielding support and competition within the team.
Fuller Pilch
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No it shouldn't.
subshakerz
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Much better is a stretch.
GIMH
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As I always do I was just pushing for Freddie rather than making a serious argument, however I do feel he’s somewhat underrated as an ODI player. Taking your wickets at 24 is impressive in its own right without being such a dangerous batsman.
Himannv
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It's really not.
Fuller Pilch
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Flintoff was a very good player but he only averaged 18.78 with the bat in World Cups (bowled well though). Compare that with Symonds and Klusener.
As a Kiwi fan of that era I always thought Styris + Oram pretty much cancelled out Collingwood + Flintoff and as the rest of our team was stronger man for man I expected us to beat England in ODIs.
Pap Finn Keighl
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Most people are idiots.
Sanga SR
2000-04 - 71 ( 80+ was the norm for good batsmen )
2005-09 - 77 ( 85 was the lowest SR among top 5 run scorers of India )
2010-15 - 85 ( 25 of top 50 run scorers had better SR than Sanga )
First 10 years he was Dravid and Kallis level.. ie, Pathetic.
He did better in the last few years.. But nothing spectacular.
Comparing him to Aravinda is an insult to Aravinda.. Who was one of best batsman of his generation.
bagapath
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Adam Gilchrist +
Shane Watson
Viv Richards
ABDV
Michael Hussey
Andrew Symonds
Andrew Flintoff
Shaun Pollock
Shane Warne
Joel Garner
Glen McGrath
Fuller Pilch
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People remember World Cups, and Sanga was amazing in 2015 scoring 4 100s in 7 matches (vs Australia, Bangladesh, England, and Scitland). He has 5 CWC 100s in total which is equal with Ponting and 1 behind Tendulkar and Rohit. Even Viv the GOAT only scored 3 and Kohli has 2 100s in 26 World Cup matches. As an ODI batsman I'd rate him 4th amongst Sri Lankans (behind Jayasuriya, Dilshan, and Aravinda), but he was still a good player.
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That's because Flintoff was only really good for 2 or 3 years and it was between World Cups (~2004-06), but he was very good in that time. The rest of the time he was kind of average. I would have him inferior to all of Klusener, Pollock, Symonds & Watson but he's probably next cab off the rank
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Tbf that WC was a bit of a batting fest. It was certainly a great achievement but not one that auto elevates you to greatness imo.
GIMH
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@Fuller Pilch
Yeah he was poor in WCs, in 03 he was coming off an injury IIRC. In 07 while you could say he only had himself to blame, he clearly wasn't at peace.
I can't agree on the Styris/Oram point unless you really don't rate Colly but NZ were a stronger ODI outfit than us then for sure. They pretty much all were. We wasted some great ODI talent in those days, Flintoff most of all.
Yeah he was poor in WCs, in 03 he was coming off an injury IIRC. In 07 while you could say he only had himself to blame, he clearly wasn't at peace.
I can't agree on the Styris/Oram point unless you really don't rate Colly but NZ were a stronger ODI outfit than us then for sure. They pretty much all were. We wasted some great ODI talent in those days, Flintoff most of all.
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Also 3 of Sanga's 4 100s were against Bangas, Scotland and England (who were terrible then). Still a good tournament but very minnow-bashy and misleading
Fuller Pilch
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Good side, but there are 8 regular bowling options (plus 2 part-timers in Hussey and ABDV). Strengthen the batting. Either pick a better opener than Watson, or perhaps Ross Taylor at 4, drop the others down one and leave Flintoff out of the side (or Klusener for Flintoff).
Also I don't want to seem like I've got something against Flintoff (I haven't) but he was a slow starter who batted best at no 5, yet people pick him at 7 in these ODI best ever teams. The same thing happens with Chris Cairns. Also Watson often get picked at 7 when he was best opening and Hussey at 5 when he was best finishing at 7.
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GIMH
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Not really true in ODIs. As a bowler he averaged under 30 every year from 2001 onwards except for 2005.
As a batsman this is more the case for sure, his numbers jump around a lot more with the blade.
Small sample size on some years acknowledged
Fuller Pilch
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Fair point
Pap Finn Keighl
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Or Clive Rice.