Is Sehwag the greatest batsman on subcontinent wickets?

[TheJediBrah]

Then don't jump in like that. Practise what you say and all.

Nah the other guy was wrong too. I can tell 2 people they're wrong at the same time.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Bradman averaging 20 in SC is like a 50 average batsman averaging 10. You are giving a hypothetical that Bradman is the worst batsman by far changing conditions to Asia in test history. All I'm assuming is Bradman would be better than Sehwag in Asia. Not that he would average 500. Which is the same difference as him averaging 20 with a 100 overall average. You can continue trolling though, doesn't effect me.

He's only played 3 tests in Sri Lanka (and probably should have done better) but Rohit Sharma averages ~80 in India but sucks ass elsewhere (although has had a good couple of years away even if the numbers aren't epic).

 

[subshakerz]

Probably the best player of spin after Shewag and Sidhu from sub continent. Tested against all kinds of spin to MJs credit.

How did Shewag and Sidhu do in local matches against Kumble, who was the distinctly different spinner of the era from others?

Saeed Anwar was someone who was fantastic and fearless against spin and did well against Murali, Warne and Kumble.

Saleem Malik was also one of the best spin players but is disqualified though.

 

[Migara]

Saeed Anwar was someone who was fantastic and fearless against spin and did well against Murali, Warne and Kumble.

Saleem Malik was also one of the best spin players but is disqualified though.

Anwar never played Murali at his peak. The equatuion got more and more warped as time went on towards Murali. Ganguly and Kambli was anothers like Anwar who played pre-doosra Murali with ease, but profoundly struggled against Murali one he got the doosra going. Anwar didn't play that version of Murali if I am not mistaken. Shewag was the best player I have seen playing a peak Murali in 2001 - 2005 period, which was fascinating.

 

[Migara]

And on other hand, the best I have seen playing Kumble was Aravinda de Silva. He was bamboozled and manhandled by Kumble on 1994 tour, he got his head down and made changes to his batting stance. In 1997 even on Indian soil he played Kumble like a boss (played three innings 110*, 66 and 18). At home he played even better.

 

[Calm_profit]

Shikhar Dhawan is underrated when it comes to playing in subcontinent conditions.

 

[Gob]

Anwar never played Murali at his peak. The equatuion got more and more warped as time went on towards Murali. Ganguly and Kambli was anothers like Anwar who played pre-doosra Murali with ease, but profoundly struggled against Murali one he got the doosra going. Anwar didn't play that version of Murali if I am not mistaken. Shewag was the best player I have seen playing a peak Murali in 2001 - 2005 period, which was fascinating.

Lara?
Damien Martyn also played peak Murali really well predominantly from the back foot

 

[subshakerz]

Anwar never played Murali at his peak. The equatuion got more and more warped as time went on towards Murali. Ganguly and Kambli was anothers like Anwar who played pre-doosra Murali with ease, but profoundly struggled against Murali one he got the doosra going. Anwar didn't play that version of Murali if I am not mistaken. Shewag was the best player I have seen playing a peak Murali in 2001 - 2005 period, which was fascinating.

Anwar played Murali in 99 and 2000 when Murali had perfected the doosra and scored well. Also scored well against peak Warne.

 

[honestbharani]

Murali had not perfected anything in 1999. I think his doosra first came on the scene in 2000.

Also, the reason Sehwag seems to have been better when it comes to handling spinners, especially the Lankan spinners, is the success he had against peak Murali and Mendis when Mendis was almost unplayable back in 2008. That series Sehwag definitely was playing on a different planet against those two compared to everyone else and that everyone else included Gambhir, Dravid, Sachin, Laxman and I think, Ganguly.

 

[Migara]

Lara?
Damien Martyn also played peak Murali really well predominantly from the back foot

Lara scored big, but played many false shots. Shewag was flawless, and the first mistake he made he was out.

 

[subshakerz]

Lara scored big, but played many false shots. Shewag was flawless, and the first mistake he made he was out.

Yeah I agree, Lara seemed to take more chances than Sehwag against spinners.

 

[CodeOfWisden]

There's a difference between sc

Please. Look at the junk attacks DeV faced in the SC compared with TOTAB

Looks like this went unnoticed.
The main challenge in Subcontinent is to handle Spin not pace, Ashwin and Jadeja in Subcontinent conditions are way bigger than any challenge Border ever faced in SC in his career.
Abd face Murali, Ashwin, Jadeja, Kumble, Bhajji, the lesser talented AB faced weaker attacks.

 

[Calm_profit]

There's a difference between sc
Looks like this went unnoticed.
The main challenge in Subcontinent is to handle Spin not pace, Ashwin and Jadeja in Subcontinent conditions are way bigger than any challenge Border ever faced in SC in his career.
Abd face Murali, Ashwin, Jadeja, Kumble, Bhajji, the lesser talented AB faced weaker attacks.

I agree with you,no dissrepect to AB there is no doubt that he played spinners well but there was no threatening spinner at the time,Chandra,Bedi,Prassana retired during his rookie years.Only Qadir was there and Murali was having his debut series when AB faced him.

 

[subshakerz]

There's a difference between sc
Looks like this went unnoticed.
The main challenge in Subcontinent is to handle Spin not pace, Ashwin and Jadeja in Subcontinent conditions are way bigger than any challenge Border ever faced in SC in his career.
Abd face Murali, Ashwin, Jadeja, Kumble, Bhajji, the lesser talented AB faced weaker attacks.

Yeah, ABD averaging 36 against Ashwin and Jadeja on terrible wickets in 2015 was a great achievement.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Yeah, ABD averaging 36 against Ashwin and Jadeja on terrible wickets in 2015 was a great achievement.

Was it a great achievement when he didn't even do well on the actual terrible wicket on that tour.

 

[Daemon]

Was it a great achievement when he didn't even do well on the actual terrible wicket on that tour.

You keep bringing this up but he faced incredibly tough bowling on tough wickets throughout.

He top scored in 4/7 of the innings for SA on that tour, literally no one else had a ****ing clue. The highest score by anyone else on that tour from SA was 43 ffs. He was the batsman of the series for me, Vijay and Puji were good too but they were not facing Ash/Jaddu.

It wasn't an ATG tour or anything because of the reason you outlined but he really was quite impressive.

 

[OverratedSanity]

You keep bringing this up but he faced incredibly tough bowling on tough wickets throughout.

He top scored in 4/7 of the innings for SA on that tour, literally no one else had a ****ing clue. The highest score by anyone else on that tour from SA was 43 ffs. He was the batsman of the series for me, Vijay and Puji were good too but they were not facing Ash/Jaddu.

It wasn't an ATG tour or anything because of the reason you outlined but he really was quite impressive.

He was excellent in the first test which was a tough track. He got 9 runs in 2 innings on the infamous Nagpur pitch and bangalore and Delhi were both pretty flat decks where he did fine but hardly even stood out. Known great player of spin bowling ajinkya rahane scored two tons. He was great overall in the series but when it's always brought up as this incredible exhibition of batting vs spin you'd think it was Smith 2017 on steroids. Do you not expect me to push back when it's a thread about who the greatest batsman in the subcontinent was?

As you said very good series but the idea that it was the stuff of legends is absurd.

 

[honestbharani]

Why am I agreeing with both OS and Daemon's posts, lol.

 

[Daemon]

Why am I agreeing with both OS and Daemon's posts, lol.

Yeah true I don't think we're disagreeing tbf

 

[Bolo.]

He was excellent in the first test which was a tough track. He got 9 runs in 2 innings on the infamous Nagpur pitch and bangalore and Delhi were both pretty flat decks where he did fine but hardly even stood out. Known great player of spin bowling ajinkya rahane scored two tons. He was great overall in the series but when it's always brought up as this incredible exhibition of batting vs spin you'd think it was Smith 2017 on steroids. Do you not expect me to push back when it's a thread about who the greatest batsman in the subcontinent was?

As you said very good series but the idea that it was the stuff of legends is absurd.

Conditions were tougher than you are making out that series. See Tahirs performance. Was averaging 46 at under 3 a game going into it. Took a bunch at 21 that series, and got dropped for good after the series. Leggie as well, not as well suited to the conditions.

But ya, averaging 36 is not some kind of ATG series, although I think it was a series an ATG would be happy with, low average notwithstanding.

The rest of RSAs inability to play the conditions with the bat make him look better than he was, and the reverse is true with their poor bowling (no decent spinner, both of the quality quicks injured).