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**Official** New Zealand in Australia

Francis

State Vice-Captain
That was a game New Zealand should have won. You do not finish a run chase with five wickets to spare! That's way too wickets to spare for so few runs. They should have started hitting out earlier, but to be fair to Australia there were a few good overs bowled in there. However, New Zealand waited far too late. Vettori affirmed all this in his post-match press-conference.

New Zealand lack the proper temperament for cricket. They have a few champions like McCullum, but outside of that they have plenty of players who can't read the game at crucial times. They're worse in Test cricket when it comes to temperament. However, they're capable of winning ODI's and 20/20s and that last game was just diabolical.

That was their game to be won and they lost.
 

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
TBH I actually don't mind Brayshaw as a commentator. Didn't see tonight's game barring the last three overs though.
Yeah I like him. He even took a dig at “the future of the game”, David Warner, so that separates himself from the rest.

Disappointing debut for Moises, Australia hid him in the batting order despite him not being a slogger and he wasn’t even given a bowl despite what Hopeless was doing. :dry:
 

pasag

RTDAS
Interesting that Bracken says he was getting help from the commentators.

Nathan Bracken proved Australia's most effective bowler, despite going wicketless, and credited part of his success to modern technology. Bracken was wired up to Channel Nine as part of the network's coverage, and listened closely to the commentators' assessment of the final over.

"Having the commentators in my ear telling me exactly how many they needed and trying to work out what I was bowling was a real help," he said. "I was alright until I was half-way in and I could hear the commentators saying I'd better not bowl a no-ball or a wide. It probably wasn't where I wanted the last ball, but I knew we had enough."
Shades of Cronje in the 99 WC (link) and could open up a can of worms.
 

pasag

RTDAS
Yeah, they were obviously talking unmitigated drivel as usual, however it does raise the question for the future and if SA weren't allowed it then...

They also mentioned to Bracken about the impending rain, probably wouldn't be much help then but if they were talking to a batsman, he could alter his batting and perhaps play more conservatively knowing wickets are vital for D/L.
 

jondavluc

State Regular
Good bowling from Australia, a excellent catch from Voges and some awful stuff from Grant "swing and a miss"Eilliot Won us the game today.New Zealand played well through this tour though and most New Zealanders fans must be happy with the performances.In the end the series showed evenly matched teams .
 

stephen

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Well I enjoyed the game. Great to get a win. Voges catch the highlight. Key moment in the game IMO was Hilfenhaus' third over. If it had have gone for a heap of runs we were stuffed. He managed to keep the runs down though which built the platform for the last four overs.
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
Someone mentioned a while ago that the new tactic of NZ was to bat normally at the start and not try to hit over the top early, just retain wickets for later on in the innings. That seems to be the way they have played. I hope its not true as they are putting themselves under so much pressure at the end of an innings and sometimes we just dont make it like tonight. The first one dayer we almost couldnt muster 180 odd. We almost ran out of time. Same in the second game. And the same tonight.

Surely you should be trying to win the game with an over or two to spare, rather than waiting until its late in the innings. And that means going hard early is important. A good first 6 or 7 overs and it would have been no problem, but we just try and pace it right through and put pressure on ourselves right until the end.

When you think about it its better to have a go early. Asking genuine batsmen to hit a few boundaries early is better than asking tailenders to come in, in a pressure situation and hit boundaries early at the end of a game. McCullum and Elliott paced it so they needed 40 odd of 25 balls. A situation where one wicket means a tailender has to come in and deal with that situation. Not smart. Have a go earlier, get the runs down to something like a run a ball, then at least if you get out the tailender has a bit of time to see a few deliveries before he needs to smack it.

I hope its not a new policy of theirs to go slowly at the start and save wickets for later. Always going to be under pressure and like tonight, could lose the game with plenty of wickets left. Brings up the question Ive always wondered about with cricket coaches generally coaching players that are better than them. I hope this new Moles fellow isnt coaching them to bat like an English county cricketer from the 70's.

Then again maybe we just had a bad day.:@
Firstly, New Zealand were chasing very low scores in the first 2 ODI's, so there was absolutely no pressure to score rapidly in the first 15. Indeed, losing a bucket load of early wickets was the only way NZ was going to lose those matches, so the slow and steady approach was an intelligent way to approach things. Sure things ended up being a bit closer then we all would've liked. But that was only due to a couple of shocking umpiring decisions in the first game. In the second, while it looked close, realistically we probably could've chased the runs down about 5 overs quicker if we'd had to.

In the 3rd ODI, the 4 rpo at the start of the innings was hardly ideal. But McCulllum was injured, and wasn't going to bat unless we got really close, which effectively meant we had 4 specialist batsmen in Fulton, Guptill, Broom and Taylor. The onis would've been on those three to score most of the runs. No one saw Elliot's excellent hundred coming. Could you imagine Kyle Mills coming out to bat in the 20th over, with the score on 100 odd? Nope, but if we'd lost another couple of early wickets trying to push up the run rate, it was a realistic proposition.

In the 4th ODI, we were batting first and batted poorly. No excuses, but it happens sometimes. We all know what happened in the 5th ODI.

As for last night, again we didn't get a slow start because of an overly cautious approach. We lost two early wickets, and Bracken bowled two brilliant overs, which meant after 4 overs we were going at 4. Even then, by the end of the power play we'd pushed the run rate up to about 7.2, which was only a little below the RRPO of 7.5. The fault certainly wasn't on the top order for putting too much pressure on the middle. We would've won quite comfortably if Elliot had pushed ones and twos rather than having a complete brain melt and we would've won even more comfortably if McCullum hadn't been freakishly caught in the 18th over.

Yes, it's all nice and wonderful when we get off to an absolute screamer. But I can only think of 3 occasions since the last World Cup that we've had such an incredible start. Once, when we were only chasing down 150 off 30 overs against a wayward England bowling attack. Secondly, again against England, when chasing 240 we scored 100 in the first 11 overs, then got too comfy with our position, batted slowly, lost a bunch of wickets and wound up having to rely on Taylor and the rain to bail us out. And finally the 5th match against the windies, when essentially the exact same thing happened. So clearly getting a rapid start doesn't mean automatic victory, and given the huge risk to our top batsmen that comes with such an approach, it probably is only advisable under certain conditions.

Starting slowly is hardly something that has just been introduced, nor is it something that the coach has suddenly instilled. There were plenty of matches under Bracewell where we got a slow start. Just off the top of my head, there is all 5 away ODI's against England, all 3 away ODI's against Bangladesh, the 3 away ODI's against SA, pretty much all of the WC etc..., so generally pretty much everytime we're either not batting on a road or chasing 330. Instead, it depends on who's batting at the start of the innings, and what frame of mind they're in. In the case of recent times, for the most part McCullum has batted alongside relatively defensive and inexperienced players, such as How, Fulton and Guptill. Not to say they can't bat aggressively, as we saw from the later two the other night.
 
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bryce

International Regular
The Knight Riders should buy Siddle then their team would be complete, or at least some IPL team need to buy him - he looks like a definite Aussie spearhead if he can remain injury free.
Despite his good form(prior to his golden duck lol) Grant Elliott should never have been sent in when he was - Franklin & McCullum(N) have been in sparkling form in the domestic 20/20 churning out 50s at S/Rs of 200 and should have been given a chance to pull the run rate down. Elliott is a "worker" and obviously(now anyway, though to the NZ coaching staff it should have been common knowledge) he cannot hit out unless he is very well set. I found myself screaming after watching all his hit and misses and then he finishes with 23 not out off 30 balls - fukn ugly given the required run rate and it is not hard to see where we lost the game..
 

Burgey

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Wow you have got to be kidding re: Merv Hughes. I am assuming you haven't heard his commentary but he's commentated a few domestic games this year and he's quite easily the worst commentator I've ever heard. He was so bad I watched the domestic 20/20 final on mute.

EDIT: See this for an example.
Thought you meant Glen Hughes - he covers some of the Tassie games on the ABC radio and isn't bad.

Merv, though = dire.
 

TazzX

U19 12th Man
So a pretty dissapointing end to this series. NZ was and is better than Aus and should have won the ODI's and last night was a bummer.

Pretty pissed off at the channel 9 commentators. Thank the lord I dont have to listen to those bunch of w*nk stains for the rest of the summer.

My mate wrote this and I agree 100% with him ...

"http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/ausvnz2008/content/current/story/390882.html

"Nathan Bracken proved Australia's most effective bowler, despite going wicketless, and credited part of his success to modern technology. Bracken was wired up to Channel Nine as part of the network's coverage, and listened closely to the commentators' assessment of the final over.

"Having the commentators in my ear telling me exactly how many they needed and trying to work out what I was bowling was a real help," he said. "I was alright until I was half-way in and I could hear the commentators saying I'd better not bowl a no-ball or a wide. It probably wasn't where I wanted the last ball, but I knew we had enough."



I wondered about this last night. Surely the commentators aren't allowed to help the players in this sort of way??? In ODI's the players are forbidden to listen to the commentary but I noticed several moments last night where the commentators appeared to assist the Australian players by giving them advice.

1. Cameron White while batting gets advice from Healy about how to deal to the bowler (can't remember who it was) bowling full deliveries by spearing it into his feet by opening up his stance and hitting through midwicket. Next ball White gets a low full toss into his feet and he opens up his stance and cracks it over midwicket for six.

2. Gilchrist gets into Bracken's ear during his second spell to inform him that the rain is coming and he should keep an eye on the par score. Something the players would not have been aware of on the field, especially the batsmen who would have been incredibly advantaged by being aware of any incoming rain. As it turned out it didn't rain but my point stands.

3. Bracken bowling the last over gets all sorts of tips from the Healy on where to bowl to the NZ batsmen. Admittedly, some of this was in jest and wasn't that helpful but the intention of the commentators was clear. Give the Australian players an advantage.


Now I'm a fan of having the players miced up for some great insights into their thinking and the way they view the game but surely this is crossing the line? In previous years, the commentators were more than happy just to get insights into how the players were thinking and it tied into the more light hearted nature of T20. These days the game is being taken a lot more seriously so surely some regulations have to come into effect?"
 

Burgey

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As a general rule I agree with you about the possibility of crossing the line, but it seems to me they're still treating T20s as almost a joke by mic-ing the players up. It adds to the "this really doesn't matter" feel about it.

But I think T20s have now evolved beyond that. It's form of the game that's generating bulk $$$$ and it has its own WC. So, from that POV, I'd suggest the mic-ing up will probably come to an end sooner rather than later.
 

Julian87

State Captain
Disagree with some of the comments about Bracewell though. I reckon he is pretty easily the best commentator on the team when given a chance. I hope he comes in for a full time gig, because he knows a lot more about the current game at international and domestic level than blokes like Lawry and Greig.
 

NUFAN

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Henriques performed as expected last night.

Notice his NSW captain wasn't confident enough to bring him on for an over or two.

He has a LONG way to go before he's ready for International Cricket.
 

Top_Cat

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Henriques performed as expected last night.

Notice his NSW captain wasn't confident enough to bring him on for an over or two.

He has a LONG way to go before he's ready for International Cricket.
Yeah was really surprised to see him get a go if they weren't planning on bowling him. Specialist number 8 batsman in T20? What's the point of that?
 

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