Your points are well-put, and I have some agreements and some disagreements, but I don't have enough energy to put into this.
but isn't that why forums are there?for debates...?would be a dull forum if ppl couldnt express their views.and pls don't take offense and start insulting.just saying.
Haha not at all. Its just that a lot of the topics have been done to death and that particular one was quite lengthy and most everything that needed to be said has been said. Though noone's stopping you from digging up a thread if you have something to add to it.
It lends largely due to the fact that at the time people did not tend to even mention strike-rate. I remember when people were trying to "dispell" the black magic thread by quoting historians but none of them ever mentioned SR and even praised statistics that would seem mediocre today. Even going into the irrelevant and talking about his FC success.
cool nightprowler,no worries.
You flatter us, sir.
Couple of points to address there. I'll take the easy one first because I'm lazy like that; yes, Kallis is underrated on CW and the greater cricketing world. I think it's because he's perceived as something of a fair weather and selfish player, rightly or wrongly. There have been occasions when he's looked like he was batting for himself rather than his team & seems (or has seemed until the last year or so) a sometimes reluctant bowler.
Eeuuw. He's lucky he didn't bleed to death or go into shock. Must smart a tad; removing a digit.
Thinking about it I suspect LT's post boxes that one off - I have never seen a description of the surplus digits - it is a horrible thought and I'm struggling to get the image out of my mind - wish I'd not mentioned it TBH given it was totally irrelevant to the issue!
No. It'd be a nightmare, same as it was the last 3,000-post thread (or whatever it was). Trust me.
No, because, at worst they're a few points off in Avg./SR...not like 10-30. There's a legitimate claim there. But apart from hearsay I wouldn't say there are many Aces in the "Sobers Easily The Greatest All-Rounder" argument.
I'm sure Sobers made 500000 runs and took 10000 wickets in highschool, but we're talking about TEST cricket. Kallis vs. Sobers as TEST players. Also, did Miller play cricket when Sobers was playing? No.
My problem is the myth that's built around "Sobers the all-rounder". It's reflected in this poll. Most people vote without really knowing their records that well. TBF, it could really go either way.
They're rarely one-sided contests. And they're usually judged more than on hearsay. I know HB for instance, who is a poster I highly respect and he pretty much just goes with the flow on this subject. Very unlike him.
There is a reason. People just follow the crowd. Some have made it almost sacrilegious to dissect Sobers' career and so a lot of people tend not to think.