Ikki
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You mean despite the fact that it's knockout stage and usually better teams?
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Best ODI batsman?
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silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
So what if the game before the quarterfinals is a must win for the team?You mean despite the fact that it's knockout stage and usually better teams?
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
Huh? We're talking about someone who managed the greatest all-round feat in ODI in a world cup. If that doesn't merit recognition then nothing does.
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
and if it's a good team? I can't see why not.
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
Yes I can. I can make whatever criteria I like. From now on In my discussions with your ilk I will judge him solely on his performance in the semis of world cup.
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
That's fine. I really couldn't care less what your criteria is. But as long as you make it known at least it is transparent. Maybe if Gilchrist played Kenya in the semis he too would average better
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Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
I think some are saying that figures wise, someone like Ponting/Gilchrist is up there with Tendulkar yet also did well in finals.
Lambu
U19 Debutant
This arguement of considering only WC finals just doesn't hold water..would any of you say the CB series final was insignificant?? well, if you do that reflects your bias.So when people point out his records in ODI finals don't be such a hurry to write em off..I'm sure plenty of other finals are of note the famous 98 Sharjah inning comes to mind.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Krish Srikkanth scored more than Sachin in a WC final.. In fact, he scored more than Viv and Lloyd in that very WC final. He is obviously the greatest ODI batsman ever.
Jonty Lathwal
U19 Debutant
well.........i m a gr8 fan of jonty rhodes (as my name suggests)...
he was definitely south africa's best batsman during his time........
& no comments on his fielding....
Jonty Lathwal
U19 Debutant
how could u rate klusener and cronje better batsmen than rhodes..???????/
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Ok, seriously, it is getting ridiculous now. I can see Kazo has some semblance of a point but Social is juz being Social again, I guess.
I don't need to see any numbers to decide that Sachin is the best ODI batsman I have seen (haven't seen Viv except in footages, not good enough to comment on him). The holes he had in his ODI records were his lack of centuries in Australia (and RSA, and he is yet to score 1 there against them I believe) and his comparatively poor performance when chasing down targets. And in the recent CB series, he batted like a dream and showed that he could do all that too.
As I had posted in the CB series thread itself, he showed that he could do what you expect of an opener (a Gilchrist, an Anwar, a Jayasuriya) but also he could do something that the others do much less often... Carry on and finish or almost finish the game. The job that Bevan did.. He showed that he had the genius and hitting ability of the other openers I mentioned but he also had the know-how and the skills of a finisher. I don't really see how any other "modern" ODI batsman could have been any better than him. And tell me now, if it is Ind Vs Aus in the 2011 WC final and Sachin scores a big 140+ and Ponting gets out for a golden duck, would that put Ponting down the pecking order?
I don't need to see any numbers to decide that Sachin is the best ODI batsman I have seen (haven't seen Viv except in footages, not good enough to comment on him). The holes he had in his ODI records were his lack of centuries in Australia (and RSA, and he is yet to score 1 there against them I believe) and his comparatively poor performance when chasing down targets. And in the recent CB series, he batted like a dream and showed that he could do all that too.
As I had posted in the CB series thread itself, he showed that he could do what you expect of an opener (a Gilchrist, an Anwar, a Jayasuriya) but also he could do something that the others do much less often... Carry on and finish or almost finish the game. The job that Bevan did.. He showed that he had the genius and hitting ability of the other openers I mentioned but he also had the know-how and the skills of a finisher. I don't really see how any other "modern" ODI batsman could have been any better than him. And tell me now, if it is Ind Vs Aus in the 2011 WC final and Sachin scores a big 140+ and Ponting gets out for a golden duck, would that put Ponting down the pecking order?
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
dont intend to sidetrack the thread (its my threadhow could u rate klusener and cronje better batsmen than rhodes..???????/
) but Jonty, to me, looked like he performed quite a lot more under pressure than a Cullinan or a Cronje or even Smith...
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
Not a Chance. In the WC against Kenya :- Gilchrist 67, Tendulkar - 177.5, Ponting - 12.00.
Jonty Lathwal
U19 Debutant
i am not sidetracking ur thread......dont intend to sidetrack the thread (its my thread
& i agree that rhodes performed quite a lot more under pressure than a Cullinan or a Cronje or even Smith...
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
I meant that "I don't intend to sidetrack the thread"..
Didn't say you were sidetracking at all, mate...
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
So What are you arguing here ?
Tendulkar has played 4 finals in WC (1 GF, 2 SF and one QF) averages :- 45.75, Gilly averages 50.5 in 6 matches, Ponting 42.25 in 9 matches.
Wow so much of difference. What an eye opener. I am just shattered to know the astronomical difference between the averages of Gilchrist and Tendulkar in all types of Finals in the world cup. It clearly proves thjat Gilchrist is the best ODI batsman ever to walk on the earth.
So much for Ponting being so good in WC All Finals, Except for the 140 Not out against India, he has been ordinary at best.
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