John Wright ODI record?

[deira]

How did John Wright survive as a ODI batsmen for so long from 1978 to 1992. He had a terrible record only averaging 26.46 with only 1 century and 24 half centuries

http://content-www.cricinfo.com/newzealand/content/player/38757.html

 

[silentstriker]

He was from New Zealand.

 

[White Lightning]

meh. history is littered with players lasting a lot time in international cricket and first class cricket with ordinary performances.... he's not the first, and he won't be the last.

 

[Fiery]

That sort of record actually wasn't too bad in those days, believe it or not (well...for a kiwi anyway). Wright was always an automatic selection in both formats at the time tbh

 

[NZTailender]

That sort of record actually wasn't too bad in those days, believe it or not (well...for a kiwi anyway). Wright was always an automatic selection in both formats at the time tbh

AAARGH, IT'S FIERY!

 

[Fiery]

AAARGH, IT'S FIERY!

Well, thanks for the warm welcome

 

[Smudge]

NZTailender seems easily scared.

Wright stayed in because the other options - as per usual for NZ - were rubbish, Ron Hart et al.

 

[Fiery]

NZTailender seems easily scared.

Wright stayed in because the other options - as per usual for NZ - were rubbish, Ron Hart et al.

And because Glenn Turner put himself ahead of NZ and only played 41 games in the 15 years he played for NZ

 

[Richard]

meh. history is littered with players lasting a lot time in international cricket and first class cricket with ordinary performances.... he's not the first, and he won't be the last.

And more than ever, more than ever particularly in the 1970s and 1980s, it's littered with good Test players who played ODIs for ages despite being crap.

 

[deira]

^ like ?

Most good test batsmen had ODI averages atleast over 30

 

[Richard]

Not true at all. In any case, averaging over 30 is hardly a phenomena.

Two examples of outstanding Test batsmen who were wholly average in the shorter game are David Gower and Allan Border. Both averaged over 30... just.

Even today you still see it - Michael Vaughan played countless ODIs despite averaging in the low 20s for most of his career. Why? Because the selectors couldn't see past the fact he was a superb Test batsman.

 

[Fiery]

^ like ?

Most good test batsmen had ODI averages atleast over 30

Not true at all.

It is true Richard

 

[Richard]

OK, let's try the cases of...

Chris Tavare
Mike Gatting
Derek Randall
Younis Khan
VVS Laxman
Michael Slater

And I could go on. (Bear in mind that this is an average in games that deserve ODI-status, not official averages)

 

[Fiery]

OK, let's try the cases of...

Chris Tavare
Mike Gatting
Derek Randall
Younis Khan
VVS Laxman
Michael Slater

And I could go on. (Bear in mind that this is an average in games that deserve ODI-status, not official averages)

Yes, but that's not "most good batsmen"

 

[Richard]

There are plenty of good Test batsmen who were ODI failures. Just averaging 32-33 isn't being a ODI success.

John Wright was poor at ODIs and good at Tests, and he was by no means unusual.

 

[Fiery]

There are plenty of good Test batsmen who were ODI failures. Just averaging 32-33 isn't being a ODI success.

John Wright was poor at ODIs and good at Tests, and he was by no means unusual.

He wasn't poor at ODI's

 

[Richard]

Sorry, you don't average less than 35 or so and be anything other in my books.

There may have been worse Kiwis, certainly, but Wright was no great shakes.

 

[Fiery]

Sorry, you don't average less than 35 or so and be anything other in my books.

There may have been worse Kiwis, certainly, but Wright was no great shakes.

So anyone who averages under 35 is a "poor" batmen? That's harsh. You know, and in fact you've argued ad nauseum in the past, that run rates and averages in Wright's days were much lower than today. Team scores were much lower on average

 

[Richard]

Run-rates were way slower, sure, but if you're a good batsman (top-order batsman at least) you can still average in the high 30s, 40s.

I'm not one for using arbitary cut-off points, you know this, but 35 is a decent "general" number that you look to aim roughly for. For someone with a career average below this, you need something else to have been considered all that much shake.

 

[Days of Grace]

Sorry, you don't average less than 35 or so and be anything other in my books.

There may have been worse Kiwis, certainly, but Wright was no great shakes.

So, basically, Stephen Fleming, Scott Styris, Chris Cairns etc. are poor batsmen in ODI cricket?