silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
No one is asking for unlimited referrals. Two per innings per side.
I dunno. I think it is not sour grapes because they are not saying they lost because of it. They may feel that it was an obvious not out, which is what even the commentators said it was and that is the end of that. The players out on the field have a much better idea of what looked out and what didn't than you or I do and maybe they felt it was the worst one they got in the tour yet. If that is the way they feel, what is wrong if they complain about it and where does the sour grapes come in here?To hbh - how does this not look like a sour-grapes scenario if (and I emphasise the the if) the complaint is being made purely on the basis of the last game? It'd be absurd to do so, this is a fairly unimportant ODI series (it's not remotely likely to affect India's World Cup chances if they win or lose this series) and it's a single bad decision. No-one has any right to complain here unless they lodge a complaint every time they receive a single error.
where did anyone from the INdian team management say that they lost because of these decisions?Because it's impossibly unlikely they'd have complained had it been, say, the opening game of the series or, even more so, had they won the series before this game.
Basically, blaming an Umpiring decision for the loss of the series which, while not as absurd as it might seem (one bad decision can indeed change the course of matches and series', despite protestations to the contrary), is still a bit far-fetched.
I've seen many worse decisions which the players have barely said a word about. Indisputably worse.
They don't have to say directly that they lost because of these decisions. Fact is, they're complaining about decisions and not just that but also lodging a complaint which to me clearly implies that they feel India possibly would have won if not for those decisions.where did anyone from the INdian team management say that they lost because of these decisions?
So what you're saying is complaints against bad umpiring shouldn't be lodged, right?They don't have to say directly that they lost because of these decisions. Fact is, they're complaining about decisions and not just that but also lodging a complaint which to me clearly implies that they feel India possibly would have won if not for those decisions.
Not over one bad decision, no way.So what you're saying is complaints against bad umpiring shouldn't be lodged, right?
I quite agree with pretty much all you've said there.And the thing is umpire will make mistakes, if not in every game, atleast in every 2nd or 3rd, so it doesn't make sense if all teams decided to lodge complaints over one or two bad decisions. And teams, captains understand this and that's why this is probably the first time you have a team complaining over one simple umpiring error. Maybe in a case where you have a umpire and he has been consistently giving you bad decisions( like Darrel Hair for example did in both Eng- Pak series against Pakistan) then you could sympathize with the team complaining but that isn't the case here. It's just over 1 bad decision, and it doesn't make sense to complain therefore.
The thing is, isn't it a false assumption being made wrt the complaint being specifically about Umpire Dar?Not over one bad decision, no way.
And the thing is umpire will make mistakes, if not in every game, atleast in every 2nd or 3rd, so it doesn't make sense if all teams decided to lodge complaints over one or two bad decisions. And teams, captains understand this and that's why this is probably the first time you have a team complaining over one simple umpiring error. Maybe in a case where you have a umpire and he has been consistently giving you bad decisions( like Darrel Hair for example did in both Eng- Pak series against Pakistan) then you could sympathize with the team complaining but that isn't the case here. It's just over 1 bad decision, and it doesn't make sense to complain therefore.
Seems like some articles and persons coating the issue with their own prejudices. After all, India vs Pakistani Umpire makes for juicier copy than India vs Umpires. India have suffered a lot of horrible decisions the entire tour, and they're entitled to lodge a complaint about the shoddy umpiring. They have done no wrong, either legally or morally.http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/wc2007/content/story/310069.html said:India's administrative manager Rajeev Shukla had earlier said that the team were planning to lodge a protest regarding umpiring standards in this series. "We'll lodge a complaint with the ICC about the decisions," Shukla was quoted as saying in PTI. Dravid was expected to furnish an umpires' report, as all captains do at the end of the series, and said he will convey his thoughts in that report.
That's certainly much more reasonable. The way I read this thread is that people were unsure as to whether they were complaining about the last ODI or the tour in general. Just as long as this doesn't turn into one of those 'prejudice' debates about umpires. I thought we'd moved on from that one with neutral umpires standing in tests; but you never know.Seems like some articles and persons coating the issue with their own prejudices. After all, India vs Pakistani Umpire makes for juicier copy than India vs Umpires. India have suffered a lot of horrible decisions the entire tour, and they're entitled to lodge a complaint about the shoddy umpiring. They have done no wrong, either legally or morally.
It cant be anyone's case that umpires like Aleem Dar are biased because it simply isn't true.That's certainly much more reasonable. The way I read this thread is that people were unsure as to whether they were complaining about the last ODI or the tour in general. Just as long as this doesn't turn into one of those 'prejudice' debates about umpires. I thought we'd moved on from that one with neutral umpires standing in tests; but you never know.