Will MoYo ever play Test cricket again?

[BhupinderSingh]

And that certainly would have helped Pakistan and world Cricket, isn't it ? All this morality talk sounds very hollow to me when you continue to be a big fan of Imran despite him deserting his country to play in Packer series.

I'm Imran Khan's fan because of his achievments,not because whether he played in Packer series or not.

 

[Perm]

Since Yousuf is Pakistan's premier batsman I think it's only a matter of time before they back down from their claims that anyone who joins the ICL will never represent Pakistan again and I've thought this all along. It will be very interesting to see if the PCB had the metaphoric balls to stick by their decision.

 

[Sanz]

@Bhupindersing :- But his achievements wouldn't have been there had he been banned after committing this so called 'Immoral' act of deserting his country for money. It is also widely believed that Imran was a totally different cricketer after playing in packer series, so in some way Packer series was also responsible for his evolvement as a cricketer.

Am I the only one who is seeing double standards here ?

 

[Fusion]

How is not a significant change to player selection ? The current BCCI system has a zonal system where selectors from each zone push for their players instead of pushing the best cricketers. Grass Root Structure isn't going to change in one day.

What criteria are ICL using to select their players? Do they even have an established criteria? For now, their only criteria seems to be "we'll offer money left and right to anyone that's willing to abandon the BCCI". While that may work in the short term, how is that a fair selection system in the long term? ICL is going to rely on the same pool of players that the BCCI produces in their domestic structure. That domestic structure is heavily criticized by people. So how exactly is ICL coming up with a fairer/better selection method? Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't see any difference in ICL and BCCI's selection structure.

 

[Sanz]

What criteria are ICL using to select their players? Do they even have an established criteria? For now, their only criteria seems to be "we'll offer money left and right to anyone that's willing to abandon the BCCI". While that may work in the short term, how is that a fair selection system in the long term? ICL is going to rely on the same pool of players that the BCCI produces in their domestic structure. That domestic structure is heavily criticized by people. So how exactly is ICL coming up with a fairer/better selection method? Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't see any difference in ICL and BCCI's selection structure.

It is too early to tell what Criteria ICL are using and too early to speculate that they are as bad as BCCI. But anything is better than the Zonal system BCCI uses. Not many people here have been criticizing the domestic structure in India but the way BCCI handle cricket in the country overall, and the way they select their International team. They have been acting like raging bull against anyone and everyone that tries to speak up or tries to talk cricket. They act as if they are the owners of the game of cricket in India and they will dictate the terms no matter how unfair and unpleasent it is.

ICL wasn't started as a parellel body to fight with BCCI o, from the first day ICL has been saying that they want to work with BCCI and just wanted to run a 20/20 league for whatever purpose (IMO the obvious intent was to get some sort of sports telecast on to its network, Zee sports and ten sports to be specific). BCCI clearly reacted in the only way it is known to, with threats of banning, revoking pentions, influcened the other subcontinent boards to ban their players etc . IMO ICL had no choice to show its money power.

If BCCI had tried to find another way to work with ICL, we wouldn't be seeing this day. Yeah I know they dont have any specific criteria to select players, but as I have said, it is hard to do that in one day when the whole system is not co-operating with them.

I dont think ICL is that bad for cricket in India and that's why I am willing to give it a chance.

 

[adharcric]

When has ICL claimed that it will or will not work to develop the grass cricket in India? Does Grass Root cricket mean paying everyone 30 Lakhs per year whether they can hold a bat or not ? It is not an easy task and wont happen overnight when virtually entire Cricket Infrastructure in the ****ry is owned and operated by BCCI.

You just claimed that "grass roots" development is not ICL's business and followed up by saying that the ICL cannot perform "grass roots" development overnight. Change at "grass roots" level is an argument that has been used by ICL supporters on CW lately. Oh yeah, perhaps this means something.

A professional league is the need of the hour as is the killer instinct in the players. Budding talent must be groomed at the grass-roots level and given the experience to play on competitive pitches and not on placid tracks.

That's all I'm going to say. Right now, it's far too early to draw any conclusions on the ICL. Hopefully the ICL brings about good changes for Indian (and international) cricket. Let's wait and watch. Good luck to them.

 

[Sanz]

You just claimed that "grass roots" development is not ICL's business and followed up by saying that the ICL cannot perform "grass roots" development overnight. Change at "grass roots" level is an argument that has been used by ICL supporters on CW lately. Oh yeah, perhaps this means something.

Dude, did you break your reading glasses today or got more powerful glasses than you actually need ? You seem to be reading too much and keep putting words in my mouth. Where did I claim that Grass Root development is/isn't ICL's business ? Next time you make a claim like that please quote me. I dont know who else is an ICL supporter here, perhaps SS.

I am willing to give them a chance to succeed, I think ICL is good for Indian Cricket and cricketers if it can work with BCCI. I may sound bit more vocal here on the issue but only because I totally disagree with the way subcontinent boards have handled the issue.

That's all I'm going to say. Right now, it's far too early to draw any conclusions on the ICL. Hopefully the ICL brings about good changes for Indian (and international) cricket. Let's wait and watch. Good luck to them.

Yeah let's see how it progresses from here, as someone said, easy part is done and the tough part starts now.

 

[adharcric]

When has ICL claimed that it will or will not work to develop the grass cricket in India ?

You just claimed that "grass roots" development is not ICL's business

You said that the ICL has not spoken about grass roots development. Subhash Chandra would disagree. Perhaps "business" was too offensive for you.

Does Grass Root cricket mean paying everyone 30 Lakhs per year whether they can hold a bat or not ? It is not an easy task and wont happen overnight

followed up by saying that the ICL cannot perform "grass roots" development overnight

Please do not respond to the above part of my post - let's not get caught up in nitpicking when there really isn't much to disagree on.

I agree with the rest of your post. The BCCI has dealt with this poorly.

 

[Sanz]

This is what I posted, Please read carefully and dont mention it ever again :-

When has ICL claimed that it will or will not work to develop the grass cricket in India ? Does Grass Root cricket mean paying everyone 30 Lakhs per year whether they can hold a bat or not ? It is not an easy task and wont happen overnight when virtually entire Cricket Infrastructure in the ****ry is owned and operated by BCCI. .

 

[adharcric]

Fair enough.

The ICL has claimed that.

 

[R_D]

Lets just get the league started before you can even talk about grass roots level.
No step have been taken into that level yet but they are busy signing players and trying to organise the league first.
Even if they were doing something for grass roots level... it would take fair bit of time to implement it and to notice any difference.

BCCI meeting planned tonight... lets see what they come up with.

 

[adharcric]

Hmm, this should be interesting.

 

[Beleg]

Nationalistic pride is bull****.

I'd rather people earn some decent money then having to kow-tow to outmoded, outdated standards of 'nationalism'.

 

[Fusion]

Nationalistic pride is bull****.

I'd rather people earn some decent money then having to kow-tow to outmoded, outdated standards of 'nationalism'.

Yeah because we all know that Yousaf wasn't earning "decent" money right? Explain how he was starving to me please.

 

[Matt79]

Wow - surprised at Youssuf. This all just got a bit serious - Test cricket will be poorer with a player of his calibre out.

 

[chaminda_00]

Yeah because we all know that Yousaf wasn't earning "decent" money right? Explain how he was starving to me please.

When you compare the money that he could earn playing County Cricket and ICL he would only earn about half playing just for Pakistan and a bit of County Cricket around Test and ODI cricket. I remember Shoaib saying he earned more playing County Cricket.

Its all relative to your potential earning not the amount you earn. Take for your example a Sri Lanka cricket could earn 10 times the amount of your average worker in Sri Lanka, what in theory is a decent wage. But compared to Australia cricketer they would earn 1/5th of what they earn. Its only a decent amount until you look at the guy next to you.

 

[gettingbetter]

Its all relative to your potential earning not the amount you earn. Take for your example a Sri Lanka cricket could earn 10 times the amount of your average worker in Sri Lanka, what in theory is a decent wage. But compared to Australia cricketer they would earn 1/5th of what they earn. Its only a decent amount until you look at the guy next to you.

Then again, what they are earning is the equivalent to what other countries pay their stars? E.g. an Australian cricketer would have to pay 1/5 of their salry to pay for a house in Australia, so theoretically wouldn't a lankan have a simialr situation?

I apologise, this is a really wishy-washy example, but some people are saying that they are living in a a state of nigh poverty.

Also in reagards to SL and the money. Thats a reason why Mascarenhas hasn't opted to play for Sri Lanka - he could of easily played 100+ ODIs and many Tests for them if he opted to do so.

 

[Fusion]

When you compare the money that he could earn playing County Cricket and ICL he would only earn about half playing just for Pakistan and a bit of County Cricket around Test and ODI cricket. I remember Shoaib saying he earned more playing County Cricket.

Its all relative to your potential earning not the amount you earn. Take for your example a Sri Lanka cricket could earn 10 times the amount of your average worker in Sri Lanka, what in theory is a decent wage. But compared to Australia cricketer they would earn 1/5th of what they earn. Its only a decent amount until you look at the guy next to you.

My point is that Yousaf already earns more than the overwhelming majority of the Pakistani society. I realize that he can earn more playing for county cricket and ICL. Let's not forget that he can still earn money from county cricket while playing for PCB. He just chose to earn even more playing for ICL. If money is the only thing that drives you to play, then IMO you are in it for the wrong reasons. Don't get me wrong, I'm not getting into the tired cliché of "they should play for the love of the game". I know that sports is a business and Yousaf deserves to make as much money as he can. The thing is, he is making a very decent living. I can understand a struggling player, or someone being treated unfairly, taking the money and the opportunity. However, that's not the case with Yousaf. He is well paid and his position in the team is secured. By signing with ICL, he is telling me that ALL that matters is money. I lost a lot of respect for him.

 

[Beleg]

Fusion,

He's a millionare in Pakistan.


However, if he believes he has a greater chance of earning more money playing for ICL - well, I can't really blame him. Money (and what it can buy) definitely comes before things such as nationalistic pride.

Also, I'd love to see PCB dismantled completely and the cricketing insfrastructure completely restructured in Pakistan.

 

[pasag]

Fusion,

He's a millionare in Pakistan.


However, if he believes he has a greater chance of earning more money playing for ICL - well, I can't really blame him. Money (and what it can buy) definitely comes before things such as nationalistic pride.

Also, I'd love to see PCB dismantled completely and the cricketing insfrastructure completely restructured in Pakistan.

Nationalistic pride is bull****.

I'd rather people earn some decent money then having to kow-tow to outmoded, outdated standards of 'nationalism'.

Lol! What on earth are you talking about?