Will MoYo ever play Test cricket again?

[Sanz]

Is it just me or its the Pakistani cricketers who gets lured to the $$$ very easily. Just show them some big bucks and they are willing to sell their national pride, no wonder match fixing was such a huge menace in Pak cricket.

I just am amazed at the disgraceful way average Pakistani fan suspects its players and pretty much relates everything to match fixing. How can you make a sweeping statement like that when no player from your national team has joined ICL.

Inzi, Farhat, Razzaq are not in the team anyway to have sold their so called national pride, neither is MoYo in the 20/20 team. Besides Where is MoYo selling his national Pride ? Did he say that he is picking ICL over Pakistan ?

Besides ever wondered why Pakistani players are easy target most of the time ? Cetainly not because they want to. Years ago Imran played in the Packer series, can anyone in his/her right mind Question Imran's national Pride ?

TBF Xuhaib, you guys dont deserve a good team.

 

[Sanz]

Poor stuff from Yousaf .Lost all respect for him. And one cant argue "but he has to feed his family." Crap! He makes enough that he can feed his entire neioughbourhood this is all greed for money and way of showing anger at PCB. Dude you play for Pakistan not PCB.

When did he say that he is not going to play for Pakistan again, if picked by PCB ?

 

[Xuhaib]

I just am amazed at the disgraceful way average Pakistani fan suspects its players and pretty much relates everything to match fixing. How can you make a sweeping statement like that when no player from your national team has joined ICL.

Inzi, Farhat, Razzaq are not in the team anyway to have sold their so called national pride, neither is MoYo in the 20/20 team. Besides Where is MoYo selling his national Pride ? Did he say that he is picking ICL over Pakistan ?

Besides ever wondered why Pakistani players are easy target most of the time ? Cetainly not because they want to. Years ago Imran played in the Packer series, can anyone in his/her right mind Question Imran's national Pride ?

TBF Xuhaib, you guys dont deserve a good team.

I am sure most players are clearly aware that playing for ICL means your cricketing days with the national team are over. I know PCB has its faults but these so-called stars are no angels, it would have been different if someone like Asim Kamal had joined because one must admit he has been treated unfairly but for Yousuf to join is completley ridiculous.

The guys is on fat retainers anyway - have big sponsorship deals, have all his things taken care for him- fitness, travel etc all that happened was he was not selected for a useless 20/20 WC.

 

[Sanz]

I am sure most players are clearly aware that playing for ICL means your cricketing days with the national team are over. I know PCB has its faults but these so-called stars are no angels, it would have been different if someone like Asim Kamal had joined because one must admit he has been treated unfairly but for Yousuf to join is completley ridiculous.

No, its not. Imran's playing days were not oever when he played in packer series, although it would have had PCB decided to ban him and others for life.

The guys is on fat retainers anyway - have big sponsorship deals, have all his things taken care for him- fitness, travel etc all that happened was he was not selected for a useless 20/20 WC.

All of it is because of his hard work and performance. He has earned his right to be picked in for the Pakistan team. If he doesn't then he has the right to play elsewhere.

 

[Xuhaib]

All of it is because of his hard work and performance. He has earned his right to be picked in for the Pakistan team. If he doesn't then he has the right to play elsewhere.

He wasn't picked for the 20/20 because the selectors wanted him fresh for the huge cricket that was coming up later in the winter, even a person with limited cricket knowledge knows that when a team for test match is selected Yousuf's name is automatically the first name that is pencilled.

 

[Fusion]

I am sure most players are clearly aware that playing for ICL means your cricketing days with the national team are over. I know PCB has its faults but these so-called stars are no angels, it would have been different if someone like Asim Kamal had joined because one must admit he has been treated unfairly but for Yousuf to join is completley ridiculous.

The guys is on fat retainers anyway - have big sponsorship deals, have all his things taken care for him- fitness, travel etc all that happened was he was not selected for a useless 20/20 WC.

Good point. I can see where ill-treated players join the ICL as their only alternative. What was Yousaf's reasoning? That he was not picked for the 20/20 team? Can anyone seriously claim that was enough to drive him to ICL? The fact is he was offered more money to play for ICL and he took it. That's his choice and I suppose it must be respected. However, how is that good for Pakistan cricket? How is this going to bring about a positive change? Players like Yousaf were already earning top money and have endorsements etc. It's not like they were starving or were fighting for their spot on the team. So I fail to see how Yousaf signing with ICL is supposed to be good for Pakistan cricket.

I am no big fan of PCB or BCCI. I agree with people that both of these boards are corrupt and incompetent. However, I don't see anything from the ICL that would fix the existing problems with PCB/BCCI. ICL has not proposed to improve the grass-roots structure of cricket in India. They have not proposed a fairer way of team selection. They are not going to revolutionize anything. Their only objective, as far as I can tell, is to make money. That's exactly what PCB and the BCCI are doing. There is no difference between them, hence no positives with the ICL. But with players like Yousaf potentially giving up Test cricket, there are plenty of negatives.

 

[Sanz]

He wasn't picked for the 20/20 because the selectors wanted him fresh for the huge cricket that was coming up later in the winter, even a person with limited cricket knowledge knows that when a team for test match is selected Yousuf's name is automatically the first name that is pencilled.

I dont understand this, why should a player who wants to represent Pakistan in all formats of game be at the mercy of PCB selectors ? Why do they want only MoYo to be fresh, why not Md. Asif, Younis Khan, Captain Malik etc ? And no, nothing is an automatic selection when it comes to PCB.

As for Selector's reason for keeping MoYo out of the 20/20 team, it's just laughable. Please read the following.

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/305869.html

 

[PhoenixFire]

I hope he doesn't, and don't see why he would, forget money, test runs is what it's all about. One of my favourite players to watch when he's in form.

 

[adharcric]

Yes.

 

[adharcric]

Why should it do anything for those who dont make it to ICL/BCCI teams ? It just means that those players aren't good enough to compete in cricket at that level and they should look for other careers. ICL is talking about minium 12 teams which means atleast 144 players, as a result of this BCCI already upping the ante for its own domestic players meaning some 500 cricketers all over the country. How is it not good ?

And you woould be kidding if you thought that it wont be good for Pakistan Cricket - If something like this to expand to Pakistan domestic Cricket, where they will have a decent domestic structure as opposed to a total anarchy that is PCB andsomething that paid well too.

It's not about sticking it to BCCI, its about their attitude towards this league and cricket overall, why cant India have another cricket league ? What gives BCCI rights to ban players for taking part in a league. BCCI in the past has taken a boneheaded attitude in pretty much every issue, it even went to the court against Sports ministry of India and won the case that Sports ministry has no jusrisdiction on it when it tried to intervene. BCCI acts as if they OWN cricket in India, they can make/break anyone at their wish, they can **** around with fans, cricketers and pretty much everyone that loves the game.

What is the problem if there are alternative leagues ? This Question that IF MOYO is going to play test cricket again is not because of ICL, it is because PCB's stand on the issue.

That's great. Let's put an end to the "grass roots" talk then - the ICL may induce the BCCI to increase salaries for domestic cricketers. That's about all I can see right now.

 

[Fusion]

That's great. Let's put an end to the "grass roots" talk then - the ICL may induce the BCCI to increase salaries for domestic cricketers. That's about all I can see right now.

My point exactly. No changes to grass-root structure, no significant changes to player selection. All it does is (temporarily) raise salaries for a few domestic cricketers, that's all.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Competition is always good though. Theres no motivation for the BCCI to evolve or improve at the moment. But if someone comes along and challenges that and offers better (which the ICL isn't anywhere near yet but who knows in the future) then it might just help in the long run.

As for cricketers. Can you blame them for going where the money is? They have a family to feed and only a short life span as a sports person. So why shouldn't they make as much as they can?

 

[BhupinderSingh]

Yousuf,Inzamam & Abdul Razzaq should never be picked to play for Pakistan agin at any cost.Last time when people like Intikhab,Imran & others prefered to play for Kerry Packer,they were banned but were later allowed to play due to public pressure & this is what could've motivated players like Yousuf to join ICL.Personally,PCB should impose life bans on whoever joins ICL & don't allow them to ever represent Pakistan at any cost.Moreover,I wish that ICL fails so that these players repent on their decision.And I've lost repect for these players after they've preferred to play for money rather than representing the country.

 

[BhupinderSingh]

Competition is always good though. Theres no motivation for the BCCI to evolve or improve at the moment. But if someone comes along and challenges that and offers better (which the ICL isn't anywhere near yet but who knows in the future) then it might just help in the long run.

As for cricketers. Can you blame them for going where the money is? They have a family to feed and only a short life span as a sports person. So why shouldn't they make as much as they can?

I'd love to see good FC cricketers/retired international players joining ICL but not those who can represent their national side for sometime.

 

[Sanz]

That's great. Let's put an end to the "grass roots" talk then - the ICL may induce the BCCI to increase salaries for domestic cricketers. That's about all I can see right now.

As usual you are putting words in my mouth and continue to show that you have nothing of your own to say on the matter apart from making unfounded remarks. When has ICL claimed that it will or will not work to develop the grass cricket in India ? Does Grass Root cricket mean paying everyone 30 Lakhs per year whether they can hold a bat or not ? It is not an easy task and wont happen overnight when virtually entire Cricket Infrastructure in the ****ry is owned and operated by BCCI.

BTW, from ICL's website :-

"...Cricket is also the game where we are the closest to becoming a champion side. BCCI, the governing body of cricket in India provides contracts to just about 20 players which does not produce a high quality large bench strength. A reserve bench strength can be produced by lifting the level of domestic cricket. This will help the youngsters acclimatize to the rigors of International cricket. ICL's mission is to create a pool of high quality ideal cricketers with killer instinct needed to be champions. This group of players should be able to perform under the pressures of International cricket and make India a champion side...."

http://www.indiancricketleague.in/abouticl.htm

Pretty clear to me what they want to achieve.

 

[Sanz]

Last time when people like Intikhab,Imran & others prefered to play for Kerry Packer,they were banned but were later allowed to play due to public pressure.

And it was such a bad move to remove the ban on Imran and Co. isn't it ? Please list Pakistan's achievement in the International Cricket Without Imran's contribution.

Personally,PCB should impose life bans on whoever joins ICL & don't allow them to ever represent Pakistan at any cost.Moreover,I wish that ICL fails so that these players repent on their decision.And I've lost repect for these players after they've preferred to play for many rather than rewpresenting the country.

 

[Sanz]

My point exactly. No changes to grass-root structure, no significant changes to player selection. All it does is (temporarily) raise salaries for a few domestic cricketers, that's all.

How is not a significant change to player selection ? The current BCCI system has a zonal system where selectors from each zone push for their players instead of pushing the best cricketers. Grass Root Structure isn't going to change in one day.

 

[BhupinderSingh]

And it was such a bad move to remove the ban on Imran and Co. isn't it ? Please list Pakistan's achievement in the International Cricket Without Imran's contribution.

No one here is bigger fan of Imran than me(and whole forum knows that) but on moral grounds,whoever played for Packer should've been banned to play for the national team.

 

[four_or_six]

As usual you are putting words in my mouth and continue to show that you have nothing of your own to say on the matter apart from making unfounded remarks. When has ICL claimed that it will or will not work to develop the grass cricket in India ? Does Grass Root cricket mean paying everyone 30 Lakhs per year whether they can hold a bat or not ? It is not an easy task and wont happen overnight when virtually entire Cricket Infrastructure in the ****ry is owned and operated by BCCI.

BTW, from ICL's website :-

"...Cricket is also the game where we are the closest to becoming a champion side. BCCI, the governing body of cricket in India provides contracts to just about 20 players which does not produce a high quality large bench strength. A reserve bench strength can be produced by lifting the level of domestic cricket. This will help the youngsters acclimatize to the rigors of International cricket. ICL's mission is to create a pool of high quality ideal cricketers with killer instinct needed to be champions. This group of players should be able to perform under the pressures of International cricket and make India a champion side...."

http://www.indiancricketleague.in/abouticl.htm

Pretty clear to me what they want to achieve.

Thing is, as far as I see it, is it's a fine balance because wanting a small number of contracts so people have to fight for them, to produce excellence in their cricket, fire, determination seems a good thing. I wouldn't like to see people who can't quite make it be able to 'cop-out' as it is in *some* cases by going for the money rather than fighting for the contracts that are available.

And I don't just count the ICL situation in this case, I also refer to Kolpak players such as Rudolph, and 'Irish' ones such as Hamish Marshall.

 

[Sanz]

No one here is bigger fan of Imran than me(and whole forum knows that) but on moral grounds,whoever played for Packer should've been banned to play for the national team.

And that certainly would have helped Pakistan and world Cricket, isn't it ? All this morality talk sounds very hollow to me when you continue to be a big fan of Imran despite him deserting his country to play in Packer series.