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    I dunno mate. Three points for a win already gives you that advantage.
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    I don't think teams who draw 3 games should progress at the expense of teams who win a game.
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    It is what it is. At least we have three points for a win. At Italia 90 Netherlands were ranked above Uruguay who had a win and a draw.

    I mean on the flipside should a side who hasn't lost go out over a side who has lost twice?

    Also it's Turkey not Albania who Portugal have knocked out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pothas View Post
    How crazy lucky are Turkey.
    Not very judging by Ireland beating Italy reserves with a last minute goal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    It is what it is. At least we have three points for a win. At Italia 90 Netherlands were ranked above Uruguay who had a win and a draw.

    I mean on the flipside should a side who hasn't lost go out over a side who has lost twice?

    Also it's Turkey not Albania who Portugal have knocked out
    Winning is more important than not losing IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
    Winning is more important than not losing IMO.
    Not losing more important than losing IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
    Winning is more important than not losing IMO.
    Agreed - but that's factored into three points for a win. Got to be a line, and I don't really think W 1 L2 is any better than W0 L0

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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.ag View Post
    Not losing more important than losing IMO.
    The aim of the game generally is to win, not to 'not lose'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
    The aim of the game generally is to win, not to 'not lose'
    Indeed, ParadoxMan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
    The aim of the game generally is to win, not to 'not lose'
    Conversely the aim of the group stage is to get through

    Maybe they should make it four points for a win in three game group stages. Semi-serious way of addressing your issue

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    More than that, the view assumes the intent of the team. A team which "plays to win" might end up with a draw or a loss, and a team "playing not to lose" may end up with a win. The scoreline tells you very little.

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    The Americans have double elimination. You get to lose once and you get into a worse position in the bracket.

    Football (unlike the Yank games) has kind of agreed as a sport that draws are an option though so they should be rewarded with something
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    My only problem with a limited number of third placed teams going through is that it's not a level playing field. Teams that finish their groups first are at a disadvantage in that, not only do they have to wait around for a few days just in case, but also the later teams know what they have to do. They started playing the final group games simultaneously to avoid that situation within a group. The only way they could keep it that way is to play every final match in every group at the same time.

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    Yeah that's my objection to it too. Although the later groups have much less recovery time before the knockouts.

    It's a fudge that I'm basically OK with though. I think this tournament has fully validated the 24-team structure, almost all of the games have been competitive and the group stages have been at least as much fun as in previous Euros. Besides, smaller countries have better fans.
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