left hand XI vs right hand XI

[marc71178]

Anyway, why can't you attach Excel files?

Zip it and attach!

 

[marc71178]

3) With a five bowler attack, I would replace Imran with a better batsman -all rounder in Botham

Botham as a better batsman than Imran is very much debateable.

 

[SJS]

Botham as a better batsman than Imran is very much debateable.

You cant be serious !!

 

[marc71178]

Yes, deadly - Imran for me was far and away the best of the big 4 and IMO not that far off Sobers.

 

[SJS]

Yes, deadly - Imran for me was far and away the best of the big 4 and IMO not that far off Sobers.

The other day someone said Bradman is overrated. This like that comment doesnt need to be countered

 

[marc71178]

Why do you say that?

What is there in Botham that puts him above Imran?

 

[SJS]

Why do you say that?

What is there in Botham that puts him above Imran?

What do you want, statistics or analysis

 

[marc71178]

Either.

Imran 37.69 bat 22.81 ball
Botham 33.54 bat, 28.40 ball.

 

[twctopcat]

The two are very evenly matched, there is no discernible difference despite the averages. Imran was probably the more consistent over the course of his career whilst on his day Botham was the greatest match winner around, probably.

 

[tooextracool]

4) Instead of four pacers I would get an extra spinner in Verity or Laker and remove Ambrose.

how long before you realise that verity was in the left hand XI?

 

[twctopcat]

Actually looking closer the batting averages are probably a bit deceiving. 1 in 5 of Imran's innings was a not out, whilst Botham's ratio was 1 in 27.
Botham tended to bat at 6/7 whilst Khan at 7/8. The ratio of n/o's probably explains Khan's high average but then it's not his fault he didn't get out!

 

[SJS]

Either.

Imran 37.69 bat 22.81 ball
Botham 33.54 bat, 28.40 ball.

First of all. we are talking about batting. As far as bowling goes, Imran is head and shoulders above Botham. In fact, Imran is one of the all time great fast bowlers. I was talking about Botham for batting since there were other pace bowlers in the side.

In batting its true Botham averages less than Imran but that does not tell the complete story.

Botham scored 14 test centuries which included a double century. This is one century every 7.5 tests. This is very good for an all rounder. . Normally a very good batsman will have about a a hundred every 5 tests or so. Against this Imran scored only six centuries at a hundred amost every 15 tests. This is what really separates them as batsmen.

Botham carried on far longer than he should have. His batting really tapered off towards the second half of his careeer. He played much longer than he should have and his contributions were nowhere near what they were at his peak. His batting tapered off much more than his bowling. At the halfway stage of his career he had scored 12 of his 14 centuries. Imran took to batting much later and scored only one of his 6 hundreds in the first half of his test career.

Imran worked at to become a reasonably proficient lower order batsman towards the latter part of his career while Botham was a natural with excellent strokes all round the wicket in perfect technical mould whose batting fell away in latter stages.

At his peak Botham was a much more proficient batsman by far and could have played for England on batting alone. This was never true for Imran.

 

[SJS]

how long before you realise that verity was in the left hand XI?

OOPs !! Sorry for that slip. There are so many teams we make here that one can forget what we were doing

 

[SJS]

Actually looking closer the batting averages are probably a bit deceiving. 1 in 5 of Imran's innings was a not out, whilst Botham's ratio was 1 in 27.
Botham tended to bat at 6/7 whilst Khan at 7/8. The ratio of n/o's probably explains Khan's high average but then it's not his fault he didn't get out!

Thats an interesting observation.

Botham played 71% of his innings between nos 4 to 6. While Imran played 78% of his innings between 7 to 10 in the order. Considering that England was a pretty strong batting side, it does say something of Botham's status as a batsman. Twenty times he batted at nos 4 and 5 in tests for England.

 

[SJS]

Actually looking closer the batting averages are probably a bit deceiving. 1 in 5 of Imran's innings was a not out, whilst Botham's ratio was 1 in 27.
Botham tended to bat at 6/7 whilst Khan at 7/8. The ratio of n/o's probably explains Khan's high average but then it's not his fault he didn't get out!

This is getting very interesting. Just look at the facts.

8 of Imrans last 21 innings and 12 of his last 38 ended in not outs while his average moved from 29.9 in his 60th test to 37.7 in his 88th !!

Thanks to his not outs he averaged 73 in his last 13 tests to convert a modest batting average to a good one. Of course he had stuck a purple patch with 2 centuriess and 7 fifties in this time . Seven of these nine fifty plus innings were unbeaten.

 

[marc71178]

Imran worked at to become a reasonably proficient lower order batsman towards the latter part of his career

Didn't he have a 3 or 4 year spell when he averaged 50?

That's more than reasonably proficient!

 

[The Argonaut]

Left Hand

Hayden
Kirsten
Lara
Border
Sobers
Harvey
Gilchrist
Akram
Bedi
Underwood
Reid

Right hand

Hobbs
Richards B
Tendulkar
Bradman
Richards V
Botham
Healy
Warne
Marshall
Lillee
Ambrose

The LH bowlers are on the weak side but thought that Underwood and Reid deserved a shot.

 

[MoxPearl]

cant belive u all missing out hadlee D:!

 

[marc71178]

I can...

 

[roseboy64]

I think there's a case for Headley in the RHXI for B Richards.