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    Quote Originally Posted by Revelation
    oh yes, without a doubt and as i was saying in another thread it wasn't entirely his fault that Ind lost the WC final. i THINK that the bowlers who conceded 349 should shoulder just a bit of the blame too.
    Khan 0/67 (7)
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    Soon as you start to have bowlers performing like that in a WC final, it was always going to be hard for the Indian batsmen.

    Still though, Tendulkar has choked in recent finals.
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    that is also true. Sachin has not done as well as he could have but then everyone goes through a patch like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chicane
    I know....though not in the finals, he's been phenomenal in ODI's.
    His career record in ODI's has been superb.

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    Sachin is without a doubt, an awesome performer.....But I still think he hasn't made the transition from being the lone guy carrying all the weight in the side to being one of the great batters in the side just as yet, although I am sure it won't be long before he does it.


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    i have to disagree.....Since Laxman's 281 and then Dravid's 233 and 270 i think that sachin is no longer the mainstay of Indian batting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revelation
    i have to disagree.....Since Laxman's 281 and then Dravid's 233 and 270 i think that sachin is no longer the mainstay of Indian batting.
    ya he now only scores 242* and 194*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revelation
    i have to disagree.....Since Laxman's 281 and then Dravid's 233 and 270 i think that sachin is no longer the mainstay of Indian batting.
    He and Dravid form the core of our batting. Dravid more in Tests, Sachin more in ODI's.
    You talking to IR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by koch_cha
    ya he now only scores 242* and 194*
    What i meant was that the batting no longer revolves around him. he can make 0 and India will still post a healthy tota. Compare to Lara who makes 0 and WI makes 47 and Lara who makes 400* and WI makes 751/5.

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    Cricketers of the Century (in my opinon)

    Don Bradman : For his 99+ text average

    Gary Sobers : For his allround performance

    Sachin Tendulkar: For his Batting genius in both Test & ODIs

    Brain Lara: Breaking the world record of Sir Gary Sobers and then after 10 years again breaking the World Recod of Matt Hyden. What can one say about this man called BRAIN CHARLES LARA.

    Shane Warne: for reviving the dying art of the Orthodox Leg Spin.
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    Sir Donald Bradman
    Sir Garfield Sobers
    Sir Jack Hobbs
    Shane Warne
    Sir Vivian Richards

    Do you all agree with Wisden's choices for their five cricketers of the century or should someone else be in that list?
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    what a great thread this was
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swervy
    what a great thread this was
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    Quote Originally Posted by dotcompals
    Don Bradman : For his 99+ text average

    Gary Sobers : For his allround performance

    Sachin Tendulkar: For his Batting genius in both Test & ODIs

    Brain Lara: Breaking the world record of Sir Gary Sobers and then after 10 years again breaking the World Recod of Matt Hyden. What can one say about this man called BRAIN CHARLES LARA.

    Shane Warne: for reviving the dying art of the Orthodox Leg Spin.
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    Bradman for being the greatest batsman ever. Everything confirms that least of all statistics.

    Barnes for being the greatest bowler the game has ever seen. All accounts seem to confirm that , agai statistics only do it for those so inclined, but they do.

    Hobbs for being the most perfect batsman with a technique that allowed him to master two generations of bowlers on the worst of pitches over nearly five decades in the game

    Sobers for being the greatest all rounder the game has ever seen and a close contestant with the Don for the top spot in this rarefied group.

    Richards for being the greatest in the generation which played two differnt forms of the game and his absolute command of both forms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS
    Sobers for being the greatest all rounder the game has ever seen and a close contestant with the Don for the top spot in this rarefied group.
    Personally I would say I'd give Sir Garfield the number-one tag anytime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Pickup
    Utter rubbish! Hadlee's wicket count is as high as it is because he had so little support from other Kiwi bowlers in that era (a la Murali today).

    One of the greats? Yes. The greatest? Be off with you.
    Neil, what you fail to realise - through ignorance or bias - was that because there was very little bowling support opposition batsmen frequently blocked out Hadlee and scored runs from the pie-throwers at the other end. This made Hadlee work bloody hard for his wickets.

    Hadlee only played against quality opposition, unlike Murali who has plundered BAN, ZIM, and WI wickets in recent times. Not sure he ever played Zimbabwe. New Zealand's batting during his era was never dominant, so he didn't have the luxury of defending large totals that created pressure on the opposition batsmen.

    For these reasons, and his excellent average, I believe Hadlee was the greatest bowler in cricketing history. It is ridiculous to say Bradman was more than 40% better than any bowler, as these are totally different skills.

    While I agree Bradman was the greatest cricketer of all time, he played in an era where the following occured:

    - Umpires would have been frightened to give him out
    - Close decisions on run-outs, stumpings, and catches were all given in favour of the batsmen
    - Playing long tours (6 tests) against the same opposition (usually England with the same bowlers) allows great players to build such prolific averages
    - Very few GREAT bowlers during his period (partially due to his dominance)

    I believe Viv Richards or Greame Pollock may have achieved a similar average under such conditions.

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