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Would Jimmy Anderson make Australia's full strength side?

Would Jimmy Anderson make Australia's full strength XI?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 39.5%

  • No

    Votes: 13 34.2%

  • He would be 12th man for the Tasmanian 3rd XI.

    Votes: 10 26.3%
  • Total voters
    38
Motorwada

Motorwada

Banned
Black_Warrior said:
Glenn McGrath would not make it to Pakistan XI in the 90s. Pakistani selectors and management just don't rate medium pacers who can't reverse the old ball and who relies on movement off the seam. The natural length of Pakistani fast bowlers is a much fuller length than McGrath's natural length and they rely on movement in the air to get the batsman out bowled or lbw. McGrath relies mostly on caught behind or slips. Pakistan don't have slips nor does the ball carry off edges. There is low bounce, no movement off the pitch, no pace off the track. You have to generate it with your action. As far as output is concerned, McGrath averaged 30 in Pakistan, where Wasim and Waqar were averaging 21-22.

The only time Pakistan picked medium pacers were under a foreign coach - Asif/Woolmer and Abbas/Arthur.

And knowing how the domestic sides picked their teams too, even Abbotabad XI would probably not pick him as they are obsessed with raw pace.


Despite the C9 coverage of cricket, it is actually an international sport played in various parts of the world so it evolves in various different ways. Different cultures/environments and conditions develop different set of skills and athletes as a product of those conditions. Wasim perfected reverse swing because that was bowled/lbw was the best way to be successful in Pakistan. McGrath developed his natural length and movement off the seam because getting people caught behind was the most effective way of getting them out in Australia.

I have literally not seen any other fan base on this forum ask questions like "Would Ponting make it to Indian middle order of Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman" just to put down Ponting. There is only fan base that repeatedly asks these question based on the assumption that Australian conditions are at the epi-centre of cricket and skill set suited in Australia are superior to all other skill sets in the world.
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Aapko salaam
 
Motorwada

Motorwada

Banned
***** said:
We need a "Would Nathan Lyon make India's full strength side" thread. Imagine how spicy that would be.
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Would any of the current gen Australian fast bowlers make it into the Indian side considering they all average over 30 (Johnson averages 40, Starc averages 50) in India where half their games are played. These are all dumb questions that are only asked during the months of November-February.
 
GotSpin

GotSpin

Hall of Fame Member
Black_Warrior said:
Glenn McGrath would not make it to Pakistan XI in the 90s. Pakistani selectors and management just don't rate medium pacers who can't reverse the old ball and who relies on movement off the seam. The natural length of Pakistani fast bowlers is a much fuller length than McGrath's natural length and they rely on movement in the air to get the batsman out bowled or lbw. McGrath relies mostly on caught behind or slips. Pakistan don't have slips nor does the ball carry off edges. There is low bounce, no movement off the pitch, no pace off the track. You have to generate it with your action. As far as output is concerned, McGrath averaged 30 in Pakistan, where Wasim and Waqar were averaging 21-22.

The only time Pakistan picked medium pacers were under a foreign coach - Asif/Woolmer and Abbas/Arthur.

And knowing how the domestic sides picked their teams too, even Abbotabad XI would probably not pick him as they are obsessed with raw pace.


Despite the C9 coverage of cricket, it is actually an international sport played in various parts of the world so it evolves in various different ways. Different cultures/environments and conditions develop different set of skills and athletes as a product of those conditions. Wasim perfected reverse swing because that was bowled/lbw was the best way to be successful in Pakistan. McGrath developed his natural length and movement off the seam because getting people caught behind was the most effective way of getting them out in Australia.

I have literally not seen any other fan base on this forum ask questions like "Would Ponting make it to Indian middle order of Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman" just to put down Ponting. There is only fan base that repeatedly asks these question based on the assumption that Australian conditions are at the epi-centre of cricket and skill set suited in Australia are superior to all other skill sets in the world.
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You've gone off the rails lately


I actually think it's an interesting question. Who would make way for Anderson and where. The constant call to racial arms has been frankly disturbing
 
Motorwada

Motorwada

Banned
Gob said:
Would Stuart Broad make his way in to the current Indian side?
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The answer to this is the answer to all of the above questions - depends on the conditions. In the last decade Dale Steyn has been prolly the only bowler to thrive in all conditions. So outside Asia yes. Inside no as his bowling is not effective enough in those conditions and both Shami and Bhuvi average 23 and 26 compared to Broad's 36 in Asia.
 
Gob

Gob

International Coach
Black_Warrior said:
Glenn McGrath would not make it to Pakistan XI in the 90s. Pakistani selectors and management just don't rate medium pacers who can't reverse the old ball and who relies on movement off the seam. The natural length of Pakistani fast bowlers is a much fuller length than McGrath's natural length and they rely on movement in the air to get the batsman out bowled or lbw. McGrath relies mostly on caught behind or slips. Pakistan don't have slips nor does the ball carry off edges. There is low bounce, no movement off the pitch, no pace off the track. You have to generate it with your action. As far as output is concerned, McGrath averaged 30 in Pakistan, where Wasim and Waqar were averaging 21-22.

The only time Pakistan picked medium pacers were under a foreign coach - Asif/Woolmer and Abbas/Arthur.

And knowing how the domestic sides picked their teams too, even Abbotabad XI would probably not pick him as they are obsessed with raw pace.


Despite the C9 coverage of cricket, it is actually an international sport played in various parts of the world so it evolves in various different ways. Different cultures/environments and conditions develop different set of skills and athletes as a product of those conditions. Wasim perfected reverse swing because that was bowled/lbw was the best way to be successful in Pakistan. McGrath developed his natural length and movement off the seam because getting people caught behind was the most effective way of getting them out in Australia.

I have literally not seen any other fan base on this forum ask questions like "Would Ponting make it to Indian middle order of Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman" just to put down Ponting. There is only fan base that repeatedly asks these question based on the assumption that Australian conditions are at the epi-centre of cricket and skill set suited in Australia are superior to all other skill sets in the world.
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Black Warrior is that old drunk uncle in the annual family gathering just keep repeating the same old tape in a loop.

FTR McGrath could reverse
 
Motorwada

Motorwada

Banned
GotSpin said:
You've gone off the rails lately


I actually think it's an interesting question. Who would make way for Anderson and where. The constant call to racial arms has been frankly disturbing
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The privileged never notice their privilege as they have no need to.
 
Motorwada

Motorwada

Banned
Gob said:
Interesting. Jimmy Anderson averaged over 50 in his last tour to India year or so ago and had 4 wickets in 3 games.Would he make it?
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No. In discussions like these the answer will almost always be no as sides play 50% of their matches in home conditions and some in away conditions that are similar so greater than 50% matches are played in similar conditions. Since teams already have players who have been groomed since a young age to succeed in these conditions the only way these players can be replaced by players from a different country with different conditions is if those players are ATGs.
 
TheJediBrah

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Motorwada said:
No. In discussions like these the answer will almost always be no as sides play 50% of their matches in home conditions and some in away conditions that are similar so greater than 50% matches are played in similar conditions. Since teams already have players who have been groomed since a young age to succeed in these conditions the only way these players can be replaced by players from a different country with different conditions is if those players are ATGs.
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lol rubbish. There's some truth to your overall premise, but no, Jimmy Anderson easily makes it into any Indian team in history. As do most moderate quality international fast bowlers.

Firebreaker said:
If Idiots like Bird can make into Australia's side then how Anderson can't?
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You call him an "idiot", yet he's not the one name calling people he's never met on the internet . . .
 
S.Kennedy

S.Kennedy

International Vice-Captain
Black_Warrior said:
Glenn McGrath would not make it to Pakistan XI in the 90s. Pakistani selectors and management just don't rate medium pacers who can't reverse the old ball and who relies on movement off the seam. The natural length of Pakistani fast bowlers is a much fuller length than McGrath's natural length and they rely on movement in the air to get the batsman out bowled or lbw. McGrath relies mostly on caught behind or slips. Pakistan don't have slips nor does the ball carry off edges. There is low bounce, no movement off the pitch, no pace off the track. You have to generate it with your action. As far as output is concerned, McGrath averaged 30 in Pakistan, where Wasim and Waqar were averaging 21-22.

The only time Pakistan picked medium pacers were under a foreign coach - Asif/Woolmer and Abbas/Arthur.

And knowing how the domestic sides picked their teams too, even Abbotabad XI would probably not pick him as they are obsessed with raw pace.


Despite the C9 coverage of cricket, it is actually an international sport played in various parts of the world so it evolves in various different ways. Different cultures/environments and conditions develop different set of skills and athletes as a product of those conditions. Wasim perfected reverse swing because that was bowled/lbw was the best way to be successful in Pakistan. McGrath developed his natural length and movement off the seam because getting people caught behind was the most effective way of getting them out in Australia.

I have literally not seen any other fan base on this forum ask questions like "Would Ponting make it to Indian middle order of Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman" just to put down Ponting. There is only fan base that repeatedly asks these question based on the assumption that Australian conditions are at the epi-centre of cricket and skill set suited in Australia are superior to all other skill sets in the world.
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If you said ''Australian conditions are at the epicentre of stodgy flat-tracks'' I'd have agreed.
 
Motorwada

Motorwada

Banned
TheJediBrah said:
lol rubbish. There's some truth to your overall premise, but no, Jimmy Anderson easily makes it into any Indian team in history. As do most moderate quality international fast bowlers.



You call him an "idiot", yet he's not the one name calling people he's never met on the internet . . .
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Depends. Which version of Jimmy Anderson. Which Indian team. Does he get rotated out when conditions suit him or not? Current Jimmy Anderson wouldn't if the discussion is present day and you have to play him in all conditions. The current Indian bowlers are all good enough on green tracks as seen in the first match against SA and are better in India too as seen in the 2016 series. A 2011-12 Anderson over an old Zaheer/Ishant then - yes. Over a career - yes.
 
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