Jeetan Patel or Dipak Patel

[slippy888]

Who was the better spin bowler for New Zealand

 

[Burgey]

Both awful. Dead heat for nothingness.

 

[SteveNZ]

Now we're talking. Good thread.

Huge indictment on Jeetan that he has the worst average in Tests, and was never a factor in ODIs.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Dipak by a mile. He was the best spinner in the 1992 WC, an excellent fieldsman and a very talented batsman at 1st class level who didn't do his talent justice in test cricket - had one of the most gutting 99s in test cricket (run out going for the 3rd). He was a very mediocre spinner but still better than Jeets.

 

[SteveNZ]

Also a great coach, one of the best junior development and talent coaches there is in this country. Doing good things with PNG now as well.

 

[Blocky]

I vote Dipak, mostly because you don't get a bunch of idiots still requesting he return to the test side on the basis of him being a county cricketer who took wickets and scored tons of runs for fun over there, adverse to Jeetan.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Dipak, no doubt about it. Doesn't have great bowling figures overall, but had some real match-winning performances in his time. 1992 World Cup he was great, and he spun us to victory with a second innings fiver against Aus at Eden Park in 1993, which is something not many NZ spinners can lay claim to. Taylor, Langer, Martyn, Steve Waugh and Healy, those are some quality wickets.

 

[Howe_zat]

For a bloke who barely took more wickets than Jeets in twice as many ODIs, people seem awfully sure.

Why don't modern players get the luxury of being remembered by their best performances?

 

[fredfertang]

Dipak never dominated county cricket in the way Jeets has, or at all, so as they say two divisions has raised the standard, I'd say Jeets, by a distance

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Patel has a better first class bowling average though. Remember he was more of a batsman early in his career, too.

I love Jeets, but he's never had any real matchwinning performances in international cricket. Given their stats could be argued either way (although Dipak's test bowling average is six runs better, which is quite a margin), those types of performances do become relevant, imo.

Rest assured I'm not going to start saying Mark Craig is one of our greats because he got a match winning 10 wicket bag once.

 

[Blocky]

Dipak also played in an era where the spinners weren't attacking options, this was the pre-Warne era where spinners weren't expected to strike with regularity, especially not this part of the world.

 

[straw man]

Wonder if Dipak would be interested in being NZ's next coach after Hesson quits.

 

[Zinzan]

Wonder if Dipak would be interested in being NZ's next coach after Hesson quits.

Fleming or Vettori's job if they want it imo, only it might compromise their IPL & Big Bash gigs.

 

[straw man]

Fleming or Vettori's job if they want it imo, only it might compromise their IPL & Big Bash gigs.

Yeah I doubt Fleming would want it - seems to be having far too much fun making easy IPL money. While I'm not sure Vettori has enough of a coaching track record as yet.

 

[BeeGee]

Dipak. Better bowler, better batsman, better fielder.

 

[Blocky]

Fleming or Vettori's job if they want it imo, only it might compromise their IPL & Big Bash gigs.

I think Dipak wouldn't be a bad shout, although I think we need a more vocal man manager (Steve Rixon style) due to Williamson not being terribly demonstrative as a captain and the team being young and needing assistance on gearing up for test cricket.

Fleming/Vettori are fine when you're looking for tactics and planning, but I don't think they're right for NZ Cricket.

 

[jcas0167]

Wonder if Dipak would be interested in being NZ's next coach after Hesson quits.

He's applied previously, so maybe.

Patel took on the role as coach of the national team of the fledgling cricket nation in August having previously coached Central Districts and the New Zealand under-19 team and unsuccessfully applied for the Black Caps coaching role.

It was, Patel said, a chance to work at international level and build towards his ultimate goal of coaching New Zealand, but more importantly

Former NZ allrounder Dipak Patel's ambitions take a new turn | Stuff.co.nz

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Yeah, he applies every single time it comes up, from memory.

 

[straw man]

He's applied previously, so maybe.

Former NZ allrounder Dipak Patel's ambitions take a new turn | Stuff.co.nz

Yeah I thought he'd applied previously. Will likely do the job sooner or later.

 

[SteveNZ]

Dip is a wonderful skills coach, but not the best man manager/organiser. Like a John Wright, that older school sort of leader that perhaps the current generation of cricketers don't respond to as well. His days are well gone to be NZ coach, but don't at all see why he wouldn't have worked next to a dot the Is, cross the Ts sort of guy like Hesson.