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    Cricketweb's twenty greatest ODI players of all time

    Noting the conversation happening currently around the 5 greatest ODI players of all time, celebrating the World Cup that is happening at the same time, we should have a thread for the greatest 20 ODI cricketers. It's an interesting conversation imo, because there's a lot to consider. Raw stats don't tell a true story, as we have seen scoring rates rapidly increase in last last couple of decades. So, as a collective, will we acknowledge the early legends, or will we ignore them, or on the contrary, will we get sentimental and remember our childhood heroes? Hopefully there will be some good discussion as well.

    How the voting will work

    Nominate your top twenty cricketers

    Your #1 player will receive 7 votes
    Your #2 player will receive 6 votes
    Your #3 player will receive 7 votes
    Your #4 player will receive 4 votes
    Your #5 player will receive 3 votes
    Your #6 to #10 players will each receive 2 votes
    Your #11 to # 20 players will each receive 1 vote
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    The problem with this is people overrate pure batsmen and bowlers over all-rounders. Better to have separate batting and bowling lists imo.

    For example, Glenn McGrath will be rated higher than Shaun Pollock as an ODI cricketer in most lists most likely, but Pollock was definitely the better ODI cricketer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Hill View Post
    Noting the conversation happening currently around the 5 greatest ODI players of all time, celebrating the World Cup that is happening at the same time, we should have a thread for the greatest 20 ODI cricketers. It's an interesting conversation imo, because there's a lot to consider. Raw stats don't tell a true story, as we have seen scoring rates rapidly increase in last last couple of decades. So, as a collective, will we acknowledge the early legends, or will we ignore them, or on the contrary, will we get sentimental and remember our childhood heroes? Hopefully there will be some good discussion as well.

    How the voting will work

    Nominate your top twenty cricketers

    Your #1 player will receive 7 votes
    Your #2 player will receive 6 votes
    Your #3 player will receive 7 votes
    Your #4 player will receive 4 votes
    Your #5 player will receive 3 votes
    Your #6 to #10 players will each receive 2 votes
    Your #11 to # 20 players will each receive 1 vote
    Imo a scoring system where there's a bit of a gap between 1, 2 and 3 is the best method. Like 12 for 1st, 9 for 2nd and 7 for 3rd or something similar. Makes having players at the very top of your list important without skewing the results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    Imo a scoring system where there's a bit of a gap between 1, 2 and 3 is the best method. Like 12 for 1st, 9 for 2nd and 7 for 3rd or something similar. Makes having players at the very top of your list important without skewing the results.
    But that probably ends up showing a much larger gap between players than there actually is ala espncricinfo ODI greats exercise
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    Imo a scoring system where there's a bit of a gap between 1, 2 and 3 is the best method. Like 12 for 1st, 9 for 2nd and 7 for 3rd or something similar. Makes having players at the very top of your list important without skewing the results.
    I see your point but I'm not sure there are any significant outliers in ODI cricket that warrant a point gap that is drastic. As in, Viv is the greatest in my opinion, but he isn't massively greater than Sachin or quite a few others. But I'm open to be corrected on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by viriya View Post
    The problem with this is people overrate pure batsmen and bowlers over all-rounders. Better to have separate batting and bowling lists imo.

    For example, Glenn McGrath will be rated higher than Shaun Pollock as an ODI cricketer in most lists most likely, but Pollock was definitely the better ODI cricketer.
    Once again, I see this point and get it, but I think that on cricketweb people know enough to not make this mistake. In the ATG thread, we consistently see people including Pollock, Kapil and Klusener in their ATG teams.
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    Anyway, voting will be in the thread and will be transparent. I'll let it run a few weeks before it closes and we tally the results. People can change their 20s as we go if they wish to,
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    1. SR Tendulkar
    2. IVA Richards
    3. MG Bevan
    4. MS Dhoni
    5. Wasim Akram

    6. GD McGrath
    7. AB de Villiers
    8. AC Gilchrist
    9. J Garner
    10. M Muralitharan

    11. RT Ponting
    12. Zaheer Abbas
    13. HM Amla
    14. L Klusener
    15. SM Pollock
    16. Virat Kohli
    17. DL Vettori
    18. SE Bond
    19. Saqlain Mushtaq
    20. MA Starc

    Honourable mentions:
    B Lee, A Flintoff, D Jones, Kapil Dev, S Jayasuriya, Javed Miandad, I Harvey, C Harris, R Binny.


    3 Indians, 2 West Indians, 5 Australians, 3 Pakistanis, 4 South Africans, 2 New Zealanders, 1 Sri Lankan.
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    Bond is there but no waqar younis?
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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    But that probably ends up showing a much larger gap between players than there actually is ala espncricinfo ODI greats exercise
    But that method more accurately reflects the overall opinion on the actual position of cricketers involved. The method where #1 is only worth 1 measly point more than #2 doesn't make sense to me. Sure it could be abused like any system ever, but I've seen that most of the time, it produces results properly reflecting the participants' opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Hill View Post
    I see your point but I'm not sure there are any significant outliers in ODI cricket that warrant a point gap that is drastic. As in, Viv is the greatest in my opinion, but he isn't massively greater than Sachin or quite a few others. But I'm open to be corrected on this.
    Agree but it's just my opinion that placing a guy as #1 should count for more than just 1 point more than #2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    Bond is there but no waqar younis?
    I saw most of Waqar at the tail end of his career, and Bond at his peak. Personal preference resulting from that, I suppose. Not much in it -- keep in mind I haven't actually ordered the middle 5 and the final 10 because they're all worth equal points.
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    Anyway, I'll do my list:

    1) Viv Richards
    2) Sachin Tendulkar
    3) Wasim Akram
    4) MS Dhoni
    5) Glenn McGrath
    6) Joel Garner
    7) Michael Bevan
    8) Mutthiah Muralitharan
    9) Adam Gilchrist
    10) Sanath Jayasuriya
    11) AB de Villiers
    12) Lance Klusener
    13) Saqlain Mushtaq
    14) Virat Kohli
    15) Ricky Ponting
    16) Andrew Symonds
    17) Lasith Malinga
    18) Mark Waugh
    19) Andrew Flintoff
    20) Damien Martyn
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    This is my attempt to take the term "cricketer" to heart, and fielding into account as much as possible:

    1. Viv Richards
    2. Jacques Kallis
    3. Shaun Pollock
    4. Sanath Jayasuriya
    5. Ricky Ponting

    6. AB de Villiers
    7. Wasim Akram
    8. Andrew Flintoff
    9. Sachin Tendulkar
    10. Brett Lee

    11. Chaminda Vaas
    12. Muttiah Muralitharan
    13. Kumar Sangakkara
    14. Michael Hussey
    15. Kapil Dev
    16. Imran Khan
    17. Lance Klusener
    18. Richard Hadlee
    19. Adam Gilchrist
    20. Glenn McGrath

    Honorable mentions: Virender Sehwag, Michael Bevan, Shane Warne, Daniel Vettori, Chris Cairns, Shakib Al Hasan, Waqar Younis, MS Dhoni

    5 Australians, 4 South Africans, 4 Sri Lankans, 2 Indians, 2 Pakistanis, 1 West Indian, 1 New Zealander, 1 Englishman.

    Ponting, AB and Hussey benefit significantly from taking fielding into account, while Dhoni, Afridi and Shakib suffer. Sanga and Gilly benefit from being solid keepers.
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