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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    Hey what do you, know, the video watson provided was actually this match

    3rd Test: West Indies v Pakistan at Kingston, Feb 26-Mar 4, 1958 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

    It's the game where Sobers got the 365 to set the new record. The scorecard matches up with the one you can see if you pause the video at 1:34.

    So, the first bowler is almost certainly Khan Mohammad, as none of the other bowlers in the scorecard match Khan's description. And the medium-pace-cutter bowler seen a bit later is Fazal.
    Well done for noticing that the heading of the video was incorrect.

    So what do you make of Fazal's action ORS?

    To me his action is a little round armed, and there is not much follow through at all. To take all those wickets Fazal must have put a lot of 'work' on the ball as he seems about medium-fast. He has been compared to Alec Bedser and I reckon that comparison is about right.

    Khan Mohammad seems quicker than Fazal, and you can tell that he's trying for outswing, or maybe a leg-cutter in the deliveries we saw. His head leaning over to the left during the run-up is quite distinctive.
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    Contemporary comments about Fazal's action describe him as ungainly and frankly the footage appears to bear that out. On action alone Khan M looks the better bowler. I get the impression that everything in Fazal's run up and action serve the purpose of getting the balance right and supple work on the ball to get the cut and swing that made him a demon. I think he averaged about 38 in that WI series with the bulk coming in Trinidad which had a matting wicket back then, I think.

    Fazal was a great bowler on the mat but he could still be deadly on turf as his performance against England proves. I just think he needed a little bit in the pitch to work his stuff. The pitches in this series seemed a little too good for him (and the other bowlers tbf).


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    Found that footage of Fazal and Khan on youtube - less cumbersome than the other format.


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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Well done for noticing that the heading of the video was incorrect.

    So what do you make of Fazal's action ORS?

    To me his action is a little round armed, and there is not much follow through at all. To take all those wickets Fazal must have put a lot of 'work' on the ball as he seems about medium-fast. He has been compared to Alec Bedser and I reckon that comparison is about right.

    Khan Mohammad seems quicker than Fazal, and you can tell that he's trying for outswing, or maybe a leg-cutter in the deliveries we saw. His head leaning over to the left during the run-up is quite distinctive.
    Yeah Fazal seems a lot like Bedser, and from his action, Khan reminded me of Wes Hall a bit.
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    Some great footage of Ernie McCormick, Bill O'Reilly, and Bill Voce bowling - although very brief. McCormick seems really quick and has Hammond caught while fending one to short-square. O'Reilly's delivery is interesting as the Umpire doesn't seem to mind him overstepping by a good half metre. What the?


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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Some great footage of Ernie McCormick, Bill O'Reilly, and Bill Voce bowling - although very brief. McCormick seems really quick and has Hammond caught while fending one to short-square. O'Reilly's delivery is interesting as the Umpire doesn't seem to mind him overstepping by a good half metre. What the?

    Those were the days of the back-foot no-ball rule, so overstepping with the front foot wasn't an issue.

    Also, love the commentary - "Don Bradman stays with him long enough to score 38, about 160 less than we all expected."
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    Fazal relied on 'making the ball talk' and variations than pace. Averaging probably around 127-128 with 130 KPH max with that action of his. A lot slower than I thought initially. Khan Mohammad was the first out and out fast bowler from Pakistan. Similar comparison can be made of Amar Singh and Nissar. Nissar was probably the fastest from sub continent.
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    Fazal probably like the Asif of his era. Wonder if he preferred keepers to stand over the stumps?

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    Fazal may have been even slower. Medium fast according to Pakistanis.
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    What's the difference between medium fast and fast medium?

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    Hard to say but with his skill set you'd think he'd be able to exert even greater pressure on the batsman by getting his keeper to stand up to him. At my guess of his speed I can't see any reason why he would ever need a keeper standing back. From the view the film allows he seems like he his putting a lot of wrist work on the ball which would be a surprise for me as I thought he was a kind of very fast offie. Maybe he was just trying to get some leg cutters going.

    A terrific bowler and the first time I've ever seen him after reading so much of him. He almost came to Australia in 1947 and was even selected before politics prevented him touring. There were occasions that season when weather gave bowlers an even chance and provided Fazal one or two occasions where he could have picked up a haul of wickets.

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