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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    Yeah if you went man for man then the 13 side would probably come out on top if only for the fact that Bell, Prior and Swann are far better than the 05 Bell, Jones and Giles. A swing of 3 is very hard to pull back if you don't give Vaughan lots for his captaincy to pick him ahead of Trott.

    Trescothick - Cook Draw
    Strauss > Root
    Vaughan < Trott
    KP - KP Draw
    Bell < Bell
    Flintoff > AN Other
    Jones < Prior
    Giles < Swann
    Hoggard < Anderson
    Jones > Bresnan
    Harmison < Broad

    I've not gone by batting order but like for like as in Hoggard and Anderson being swing bowlers so they match up etc...

    In a man for man thing I have gone for 13 over 05 but I still think the 05 side would win for some reason.
    I love Treso, one of my very favourite players ever but how is it a draw between him and Cook? Unless you are simply judging on the series just gone against the 05 series, in which case Trescothick clearly had the better series.
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    2010/11 was better than both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    This English top three are cornflakes. They're not the most exciting thing out but they're pretty effective. Then the middle order are the sugar. Would be too much on their own but added to the cornflakes they add some much needed interest

    When KP returns he will be the banana..

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    Yeah, would go along with that.

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    Simon Jones the difference. 05 would win imo.
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    The current side would hammer the 2005 side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurball View Post
    The current side would hammer the 2005 side.
    Don't be absurd. I'd probably take the current one but it's close.

    The 05 side has Freddie at the peak of his powers. Would back them against anyone. Other than him the current one is probably better man for man.

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    I dunno about that. The 05 side had a better attack all round, even accepting Swann > Giles. They had a five man attack which could make merry with the current line up, which didn't pass 400 iirc in the just completed series on pretty dry decks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    I dunno about that. The 05 side had a better attack all round, even accepting Swann > Giles. They had a five man attack which could make merry with the current line up, which didn't pass 400 iirc in the just completed series on pretty dry decks.
    None of Harmison, Hoggard or Giles would get anywhere near the current side.

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    None of Broad, Swann or Bresnan would cause the 05 Australian batting line up to raise a sweat.
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    Broad at his best would. The Broad of the Durham Test this summer, or V India in 2011. And he's a better bowler than Harmison.

    Similarly, whatever you think of Swann, he'd do better than 10@57 a la Giles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurball View Post
    None of Harmison, Hoggard or Giles would get anywhere near the current side.
    Nah, way off. Giles wouldn't.

    Hoggard > Bresnan
    Harmison > Finn

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    Nah, way off. Giles wouldn't.

    Hoggard > Bresnan
    Harmison > Finn
    Bresnan and Finn don't play in the same side though. It's more Harmison or Broad.

    It's hard with the different balances though. I think you have to just take Freddie as an anomaly and say he'd be in instead of any number 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    Bresnan and Finn don't play in the same side though. It's more Harmison or Broad.

    It's hard with the different balances though. I think you have to just take Freddie as an anomaly and say he'd be in instead of any number 6.
    That's kind of my point though. They both played the series and each are inferior to at least one of the other guys. I'd have Hoggard over both of them for the record, and Harmison would be under serious consideration for the 2013 side. I mean look at the touring squad FFS. In fact, Harmy 05 would be a shoo-in.

    Combined XI

    Cook
    Trescothick
    Vaughan*
    Pietersen (05 version)
    Bell (13 version)
    Flintoff (sexy bastard)
    Prior+
    Broad
    Swann
    Anderson
    S Jones
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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    That's kind of my point though. They both played the series and each are inferior to at least one of the other guys. I'd have Hoggard over both of them for the record, and Harmison would be under serious consideration for the 2013 side. I mean look at the touring squad FFS. In fact, Harmy 05 would be a shoo-in.

    Combined XI

    Cook
    Trescothick
    Vaughan*
    Pietersen (05 version)
    Bell (13 version)
    Flintoff (sexy bastard)
    Prior+
    Broad
    Swann
    Anderson
    S Jones
    Swap Prior and Flintoff, get Vaughan the **** out of the side.
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