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    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Nice selection of articles kyear. I particularly found Lillee's stat's interesting because in a decade of great opposition his bowling average hardly varied - each 'trimester' ended at 23-24.
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    The XI of Greats who did something first:

    WG Grace - First great modern batsman
    Virender Sehwag - First ultra aggressive opener

    Don Bradman - First to make really big, huge scores consistently, not to mention the 99..., well you know.
    Garry Sobers - Three types of bowling, plus the first really great left handed batsman
    Ranjitsinghji - First to open up the leg side to batsmen

    Keith Miller - First true all rounder all rounder
    Adam Gilchrist - First ultra aggressive batsman keeper

    Sydney Barnes - First fast spinner
    Harold Larwood - First great fast bowler with bounce and swing
    Frank Tyson - First truly ultra fast bowler
    Muttiah Muralitharan - Unique, one of a kind bowler
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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.ag View Post
    The XI of Greats who did something first:

    WG Grace - First great modern batsman
    Virender Sehwag - First ultra aggressive opener

    Don Bradman - First to make really big, huge scores consistently, not to mention the 99..., well you know.
    Garry Sobers - Three types of bowling, plus the first really great left handed batsman
    Ranjitsinghji - First to open up the leg side to batsmen

    Keith Miller - First true all rounder all rounder
    Adam Gilchrist - First ultra aggressive batsman keeper

    Sydney Barnes - First fast spinner
    Harold Larwood - First great fast bowler with bounce and swing
    Frank Tyson - First truly ultra fast bowler
    Muttiah Muralitharan - Unique, one of a kind bowler
    Probably need to replace Murali with Saqlain as Saqlain was the first off-spinner to use the Doosra, unless I'm mistaken.


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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Probably need to replace Murali with Saqlain as Saqlain was the first off-spinner to use the Doosra, unless I'm mistaken.
    Think he meant how Murali used his wrists in his deliveries. Only wrist spinning off spinner ever, maybe?

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    Sehwag wasn't the first ultra aggressive opener, btw.
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    Pretty sure true all rounders date back since the dawn of cricket as well. Also fast spinners were pretty common in the early areas, so I can't imagine barnes was the first either

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    Shahid Afridi - First one to dance on the pitch and eat the cricket ball for lunch
    Roy Gilchrist - First one to brand his wife with a hot iron
    Shane Warne - First one to alter his face
    Shoaib Akhtar - First one to get genital warts

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    Oh and Imran - First one to master reverse swing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux View Post
    Oh and Imran - First one to master reverse swing
    I'm almost sure that Sarfraz mastered reverse swing and then taught Imran.

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    I don't think Sarfraz mastered it like Imran did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.ag View Post
    Ranjitsinghji - First to open up the leg side to batsmen
    Jardine the first man to truly open up the leg side to the batsman IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.ag View Post
    The XI of Greats who did something first:

    WG Grace - First great modern batsman
    Virender Sehwag - First ultra aggressive opener Trumper was doing it 100 years ago. Roy Fredericks, Gordon Greenidge, Arthur Morris...

    Don Bradman - First to make really big, huge scores consistently, not to mention the 99..., well you know. Ponsford
    Garry Sobers - Three types of bowling, plus the first really great left handed batsman Neil Harvey
    Ranjitsinghji - First to open up the leg side to batsmen

    Keith Miller - First true all rounder all rounder Jack Gregory, George Giffen
    Adam Gilchrist - First ultra aggressive batsman keeper Les Ames

    Sydney Barnes - First fast spinner
    Harold Larwood - First great fast bowler with bounce and swing
    Frank Tyson - First truly ultra fast bowler
    Muttiah Muralitharan - Unique, one of a kind bowler
    Just some thoughts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Just some thoughts
    From memory, Victor Trumper's Strike Rate was in the mid-80s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    From memory, Victor Trumper's Strike Rate was in the mid-80s.
    I'd imagine that compares favourably to his peers?



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