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    Last edited by kyear2; 30-11-2013 at 09:22 AM.
    1st XI
    Hutton | Hobbs | Bradman* | Richards^ | Tendulkar | Sobers5^ | Gilchrist+ | Khan3 | Marshall1 | Warne4^ | McGrath2
    2nd XI
    Sutcliffe | Gavaskar* | Headley | Chappell^ | Lara^ | Kallis5^ | Knott+ | Hadlee3 | Ambrose2 | Lillee1 | Muralitharan4
    3rd XI
    Greenidge | Richards^ | Ponting^ | Pollock | Hammond^ | Worrell5* | Waite+ | Akram3 | Steyn1 | Holding2 | O'Reilly4
    4th XI
    Morris | Simpson^ | Sangakkara | Weekes^ | Border*^ | Walcott+ | Faulkner5 | Laker4 | Trueman1 | Garner3 | Donald2

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    Nice selection of articles kyear. I particularly found Lillee's stat's interesting because in a decade of great opposition his bowling average hardly varied - each 'trimester' ended at 23-24.
    PRE WWI
    Grace-Trumper-Hill-Taylor-Ranjitsinhji-Faulkner-Noble-Lilley-Turner-Richardson-Barnes
    PRE WWII
    Hobbs-Sutcliffe-Bradman-Hammond-Headley-Macartney-Ames-Gregory-Larwood-O'Reilly-Grimmett
    POST WWII
    Hutton-Simpson-Kanhai-Pollock-Harvey-Sobers-Waite-Benaud-Davidson-Lindwall-Trueman
    PACKER ERA
    Gavaskar-Greenidge-Richards-Chappell-Lloyd-Botham-Imran-Knott-Lillee-Holding-Underwood
    MODERN ERA
    Hayden-Langer-Ponting-Tendulkar-Lara-Kallis-Gilchrist-Marshall-Warne-Ambrose-McGrath

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    The XI of Greats who did something first:

    WG Grace - First great modern batsman
    Virender Sehwag - First ultra aggressive opener

    Don Bradman - First to make really big, huge scores consistently, not to mention the 99..., well you know.
    Garry Sobers - Three types of bowling, plus the first really great left handed batsman
    Ranjitsinghji - First to open up the leg side to batsmen

    Keith Miller - First true all rounder all rounder
    Adam Gilchrist - First ultra aggressive batsman keeper

    Sydney Barnes - First fast spinner
    Harold Larwood - First great fast bowler with bounce and swing
    Frank Tyson - First truly ultra fast bowler
    Muttiah Muralitharan - Unique, one of a kind bowler
    If you were that old, and that kind, and the very last of your kind, you couldn't just stand back and watch children cry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.ag View Post
    The XI of Greats who did something first:

    WG Grace - First great modern batsman
    Virender Sehwag - First ultra aggressive opener

    Don Bradman - First to make really big, huge scores consistently, not to mention the 99..., well you know.
    Garry Sobers - Three types of bowling, plus the first really great left handed batsman
    Ranjitsinghji - First to open up the leg side to batsmen

    Keith Miller - First true all rounder all rounder
    Adam Gilchrist - First ultra aggressive batsman keeper

    Sydney Barnes - First fast spinner
    Harold Larwood - First great fast bowler with bounce and swing
    Frank Tyson - First truly ultra fast bowler
    Muttiah Muralitharan - Unique, one of a kind bowler
    Probably need to replace Murali with Saqlain as Saqlain was the first off-spinner to use the Doosra, unless I'm mistaken.


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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Probably need to replace Murali with Saqlain as Saqlain was the first off-spinner to use the Doosra, unless I'm mistaken.
    Think he meant how Murali used his wrists in his deliveries. Only wrist spinning off spinner ever, maybe?
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    Sehwag wasn't the first ultra aggressive opener, btw.
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    Pretty sure true all rounders date back since the dawn of cricket as well. Also fast spinners were pretty common in the early areas, so I can't imagine barnes was the first either

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    Shahid Afridi - First one to dance on the pitch and eat the cricket ball for lunch
    Roy Gilchrist - First one to brand his wife with a hot iron
    Shane Warne - First one to alter his face
    Shoaib Akhtar - First one to get genital warts
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    Oh and Imran - First one to master reverse swing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux View Post
    Oh and Imran - First one to master reverse swing
    I'm almost sure that Sarfraz mastered reverse swing and then taught Imran.

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    I don't think Sarfraz mastered it like Imran did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.ag View Post
    Ranjitsinghji - First to open up the leg side to batsmen
    Jardine the first man to truly open up the leg side to the batsman IMO.
    Monk and the big bambino like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.ag View Post
    The XI of Greats who did something first:

    WG Grace - First great modern batsman
    Virender Sehwag - First ultra aggressive opener Trumper was doing it 100 years ago. Roy Fredericks, Gordon Greenidge, Arthur Morris...

    Don Bradman - First to make really big, huge scores consistently, not to mention the 99..., well you know. Ponsford
    Garry Sobers - Three types of bowling, plus the first really great left handed batsman Neil Harvey
    Ranjitsinghji - First to open up the leg side to batsmen

    Keith Miller - First true all rounder all rounder Jack Gregory, George Giffen
    Adam Gilchrist - First ultra aggressive batsman keeper Les Ames

    Sydney Barnes - First fast spinner
    Harold Larwood - First great fast bowler with bounce and swing
    Frank Tyson - First truly ultra fast bowler
    Muttiah Muralitharan - Unique, one of a kind bowler
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    Hutton - Gavaskar - Bradman - Tendulkar - V.Richards - Sobers - Knott - Warne - Marshall - Lillee - Ambrose

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Just some thoughts
    From memory, Victor Trumper's Strike Rate was in the mid-80s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    From memory, Victor Trumper's Strike Rate was in the mid-80s.
    I'd imagine that compares favourably to his peers?



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