New Zealand doom and gloom thread

[straw man]

Originally Posted by Bahnz

Well then you'll be waiting for a while. This series win will have bought Hesson some serious time as coach. Even if NZ do terribly from now on (less likely given the return of several critical players) I can't see his place coming under pressure any sooner than the Champion's Trophy.

Maybe so, but that that just shows that what should happen and what will happen often tend to be different.

Fundamentally, I just cannot see NZ's team culture and results progressing under Hesson. He's the Rob Nicol of coaches. Doesn't know what to do so just charges and swings wildly.

[straw man]

Originally Posted by Mike5181

He managed to get through the test against Sri Lanka alright, and that was arguably an even worse position for him to be in.

But to work long term under someone who doesn't support you and probably actively undermines you is all but impossible. And to everyone else it just looks like you're doing a **** job.

[NZTailender]

Tbf, in the long-term, having McCullum as captain might work out well, once he learns the skills of the job at international level and we can have Taylor to play his natural game and hopefully pile on the runs (though he did average better as captain, but that may also coincide in his best form with the bat to date and not include his slow start). Hesson should go, though. The whole thing was handled poorly as we know but Hesson has been shown up as just awful. We can do better than this guy, surely.

[Flem274*]

Jamie Siddons could be a goer if he's keen and still around when we're next on the market for a coach.

[Athlai]

Siddonssssss

[BeeGee]

What about Steve Rixon? I'm guessing he's not interested because he's been there, done that?

Pretty sad if he'd rather be a fielding coach for Aus than the head coach for NZ.

[Chubb]

New Zealand need an emotionless, stonefaced Zimbabwean as a coach.

Since the two proven international coaches who meet that stereotype are employed elsewhere, I suggest they recruit the third best option:

DAVID HOUGHTON

Perhaps Ballance, who is his nephew, may be persuaded to come and qualify for NZ instead of England?

[Bahnz]

Originally Posted by BeeGee

What about Steve Rixon? I'm guessing he's not interested because he's been there, done that?

Pretty sad if he'd rather be a fielding coach for Aus than the head coach for NZ.

I think Rixon mentioned that he was interested in coming back and coaching NZ a few years ago (I remember him talking about his plans for managing difficult individuals like Ryder and drawing parallels with his experiences coaching Cairns and Parore). Not sure if he ever actually applied for the position though, and I doubt he would be interested now that he's finally got an Australian coaching gig (even if it is just as the fielding coach).

[Prince EWS]

Originally Posted by Bahnz

I think Rixon mentioned that he was interested in coming back and coaching NZ a few years ago (I remember him talking about his plans for managing difficult individuals like Ryder and drawing parallels with his experiences coaching Cairns and Parore). Not sure if he ever actually applied for the position though, and I doubt he would be interested now that he's finally got an Australian coaching gig (even if it is just as the fielding coach).

Fielding coach is his official title but he does a lot more than that in reality. He's effectively assistant national coach - he took over as head coach for the ODIs in the UAE because Arthur cbf, for example. Arthur was very keen to get him on board in whatever official capacity possible in order to basically use him as a general dog's body assistant; he's a big fan in general.

[BeeGee]

Originally Posted by Jezroy

We had an "NZ Doom and Gloom" thread not that long ago. It hasn't really needed to be used in recent times.

They were tricky batting conditions, but all out for 68 is a disgrace.

[flibbertyjibber]

The NZ team aren't used to winning but with that attack they will continue to create chances to win. They are in a much better position than they were in a couple of years back. Once they get over the line they will become a better allround unit and win more often. WI found it tough to get those early wins and have done ok of late.

[Jezroy]

Pretty much still just need 2 openers and a spin bowler. And we'll be sweet.

The pace bowlers are pretty good - 4 genuine options there, with some good back up floating around.

Would be very interesting to see what Williamson/Taylor/Brownlie/McCullum/Watling could do if they had any sort of foundation. Plus Guptill and Latham floating around in the background.

I reckon we are eight elevenths of a good cricket team.

[Scaly piscine]

As I've said before NZ's batting is always going to be crap, so they should focus on picking the best 4 seamers and knocking teams over relatively cheaply. The last thing you want to do is get a team in trouble with pace bowling and be forced to bowl Martin or some other mickey mouse bowler. That release will put the game out of reach of NZ's batting lineup.

[Bahnz]

Well, it sure was nice pretending that we had a top 3 that could play like normal test cricketers. Not that they were the only ones at fault in this case.

Actually don't want to think too much about last night just yet. After being wondrously competitive against a top side for 3 and 3/4 test matches, this result hurts a hell of a lot.

[hendrix]

Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber

The NZ team aren't used to winning but with that attack they will continue to create chances to win. They are in a much better position than they were in a couple of years back. Once they get over the line they will become a better allround unit and win more often. WI found it tough to get those early wins and have done ok of late.

Well we've given this excuse quite a few times too.

This loss takes away all of that hard-earned self-believe of the 3 NZ tests and the first 3 days of Lord's.

It's just crushing.