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Beware the evils of Kit-Kats - they're immoral apparently.
If you're playing your allrounder at Nos 1-6 then a batting average of around 40 plus and a bowling average of around 30 or less is more or less required.
If batting at No. 7 or 8 then a batting average of 25-35 is OK, but the bowling average must be below 30 at least.
For an ATG team.
(These figures are relative to the era the allrounder was playing in of course)
Last edited by watson; 23-07-2012 at 04:06 PM.
"Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong" - Oscar Wilde
Except he doesn't want to be.
#J.Hobbs; #L.Hutton; #D.Bradman; #V.Richards; #G.Sobers; #A.Border; #A.Gilchrist; #K.Miller; #I.Khan; #S.Warne; #M.Marshall;
South Africa in England 2012: Jacques Kallis underappreciated no longer | Cricket Features | England v South Africa | ESPN Cricinfo
Kallis is gun. We have to stop clutching straws with him. I ranked him at 13 in the last cw50 exercise and I believe he deserved that totally.
What forced Sobers to be a great all rounder was the lack of quality bolwers at varying parts of his career and the importance of a great bowling all rounder is amplified by the weaknesses of their top order. Great teams for the most part were defined by great bowlers and strong batting line ups while it was the otherwise weaker teams that required the services of All Rounders.
I still think that it is good for team balance to have that good fifth bowler, but history says other wise.
The one theory that I have though that history does back up is that most of the great teams did have great cordons, and so from a winning perspective they seem to hold a greater importance than traditional all rounders. This can be a mere coincidence, but it is there, so ...................
The key though is to gain these additional qualities with out loosing or taking away from the quality batsmen or bowlers who makes the team great.
Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2
Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4
Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Waite+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2
Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3
Sorry guys, but to digress once again to my fav pet peeve, Cook's drop cost England a century by Pieterson today, and highlights the importance of having a settled and excellent cordon.Everyone will drop one from time to time (though he somewhat made up for it soon after with a blinder) but that one was a sitter that any regular slipper should have taken.
Last edited by kyear2; 02-08-2012 at 06:49 PM.
Yeah, definitely agree. You can't just throw good fielders into slip and expect them to be good slippers, plenty of examples where that's failed over the years.
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And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW
Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta
(and also guys like Viv, Clive Lloyd, AB DeVil)
have all been excellent fielders, and also excellent slippers.
Some guys, like Taylor, Hayden and Warne, have been excellent (or at least good) slippers, but pretty average fielders.
They were slippers as well as fielders, though, not makeshift slippers just because they were good fielders. The most obvious Australian examples I can think of are Symonds and Clarke (though Clarke is much better nowadays), and lately Watson.
Of course, some people are just absolute freaks (MWaugh, ABdV)
Symonds was in the slips for a few Tests, and dropped about as many as he caught. Was bad.
Watson's a good ring fielder tbh. Excellent hands.
Bell and Cook has been tried in the slips to less than stellar results recently, while everyone is saying how good Trott is and he is a specilaist. Additionally don't over react and drop one of your most important players after one bad match, he is important to the lower order batting, his slip fielding and of course his bowling, Finn for Bresnam would have made more sense.
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