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    Most similar/bits and pieces player in 1 team

    The West Indian team that played the first odi against England, was expected to do well, but in truth was full of bits and pieces/ samey players and lacking proper convention class batting, in the form of someone like Ian Bell.

    This West Indies team is exciting for sure, but I'm glad that the lack of proper batting has exposed them. The modern game seems too obsessed with players first being able to clear then boundary and then score runs, so it's good to see the importance of consistency being highlighted.

    Dwayne Smith, Dwayne Bravo, Kieran Pollard, Andre Russell and Darren Sammy are all similar bits and pieces type players. None are particularly consistent, all of them are big 6 hitters, and all of them bowl useful medium pace, except Russell who is a bit quicker.

    Has any other odi side ever had a team balanced like this? Players like Pollock don't count since he is a world class bowler. The criteria is that they cannot be consistent run scores or wicket takers.

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    New Zealand's army of medium-pace bowling all-rounders (plus Dipak Patel) in 1992 was the first to spring to mind. And England had occasional good days in ODIs in the late 90s with the Hollioakes, Dougie Brown, Fleming, Alleyne etc. (not sure how many of them played in one side).

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    T20 is an all-rounders game, so wouldn't be surprised if teams like RSA pack their future T20 teams with guys like Albie Morkal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpski View Post
    New Zealand's army of medium-pace bowling all-rounders (plus Dipak Patel) in 1992 was the first to spring to mind. And England had occasional good days in ODIs in the late 90s with the Hollioakes, Dougie Brown, Fleming, Alleyne etc. (not sure how many of them played in one side).
    Yeah, they won a Sharjah tournament in 1997 or 1998 with quite a few of them. iirc most of the runs still came from guys like Thorpe though.


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    T20 is an all-rounders game, so wouldn't be surprised if teams like RSA pack their future T20 teams with guys like Albie Morkal.
    T20 is a specialist's game actually. Bowling 7-8 guys generally goes badly. You want 5 guys you can rely on to bowl 4 good overs each. Batting depth doesn't really come into it, you want the top 4 to score the bulk of the runs and 5-6 to finish things off. The rest are just there to belt a few in the last couple of overs generally.
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    In the end, these bits and pieces players are also among their best batsmen, so they have little choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scaly piscine View Post
    T20 is a specialist's game actually. Bowling 7-8 guys generally goes badly. You want 5 guys you can rely on to bowl 4 good overs each. Batting depth doesn't really come into it, you want the top 4 to score the bulk of the runs and 5-6 to finish things off. The rest are just there to belt a few in the last couple of overs generally.
    A mix of both is ideal, although you'd limit that to just the top five bowlers, of which at least one can bat a bit. Bowling all-rounders are a better bet than their frontline batting counterparts. If T20 is not a bowlers' game, it is certainly not a bits-and-pieces bowlers' game at all. And in 20 overs, it's essentially just the top five (or rather, four) that has to score to win.
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    83-85 Indian ODI team had a lot of them if i am not wrong..Won WC,WSC,Rothmans Cup..Great team

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    Adam Hollioake led England team which won in Sharjah 1997 had like 5-6 bp players

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    England love these guys:

    - Barnacle Bailey (the most boring test cricketer ever)

    - Chris Lewis

    - Another guy similar to him from the same era

    - (?) Hollioake

    - Someone White who was Darren Lehmann's brother in law?

    - Ronny Irani "He charged into the wicket and took off at the crease like a less athletic Imran Khan". (cricinfo)

    - And of course, WG Grace (obvious troll is.....)
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    Yes, Sammy, Bravo and Russell are all exactly the same player. None of the three are strong enough in either dicipline to make the team on bowling or batting alone and so only one should play at a time or at the very most two. We need specialist and one AR anything else is a mistake. One should still try to bowl out teams in odi's as well.
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