***Official*** South Africa in New Zealand 2012

[Cam7]

Originally Posted by thierry henry

Yep. The path Taylor's lbw took on VirtualEye seemed to be completely devoid of the very obvious swing. Also, somehow it managed to get the impact point wrong. It was outrageous tbh, I honestly think that was missing.

So do I. That was an absolute shocker as far as the technology is concerned.

My only comfort in the Taylor dismissal is that there was a remote chance that the ball was hitting/clipping the leg stump and the onfield umpire gave Taylor out. Rightly or wrongly (probably should have been given the benefit of the doubt), that was the on-field decision that was made. Remove all the technology and, as they say, read it in the paper.

Originally Posted by straw man

Also the Hawkeye guys have been proactive in talking about the pros and cons of the system and how they're improving things - seem like a professional outfit. Less sure about Virtual Eye.

I don't think the Virtual Eye people are necessarily less professional than the Hawkeye people. I'm sure both companies are doing their best to improve their systems and make them as accurate as possible.

My beef is with the ICC, who, in their wisdom, decided to accept the predicted/computed path (i.e., something that hasn't actually yet happened) as "evidence". That said, it looks like Virtual Eye somehow didn't plot the actual path of the ball correctly in this instance. Something's gone horribly wrong there, I think.

Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned

Definitely think we wrote off the player's complaints of the tracking system a bit too lightly, this one is dodgy. Is it the same company as with the Hobart test?

Yes.

I'm sure there'll be a lot more discussion about the Taylor dismissal on air tomorrow.

[straw man]

Originally Posted by Cam7

I don't think the Virtual Eye people are necessarily less professional than the Hawkeye people. I'm sure both companies are doing their best to improve their systems and make them as accurate as possible.

My beef is with the ICC, who, in their wisdom, decided to accept the predicted/computed path (i.e., something that hasn't actually yet happened) as "evidence". That said, it looks like Virtual Eye somehow didn't plot the actual path of the ball correctly in this instance. Something's gone horribly wrong there, I think.

Yes any organisation that vaguely follows good practices would have brought in experts to do due diligence on the systems right at the start before approving them for use. Without that being done there will always be a question on quality. Still, better late than never if the ICC is doing this now.

[Hurricane]

Ellis for Arnel next test - don't lose anything in the bowling and batting improves.

[Athlai]

Gillespie WAG

Guptill
-
McCullum (keep him at 3!)
Taylor
Williamson
Vettori
van Wyk/Watling
Bracewell
Gillespie
-
Martin

The best batsman we have waiting in the wings are Watling, Flynn, Franklin, Ryder and Brownlie, the best bowlers we have waiting are Boult, Arnel, Southee and Wagner.

Really need to think of the players that will balance the team the best, but openers and bowlers who can bat are just not in abundance at the moment.

[Flem274*]

Fit our 11 best players in the team since we have such **** specialists. Dan to open.

McCullum/Flynn
Vettori
McCullum/Flynn
Taylor
Brownlie
Williamson
van Wyk (wk)
Bracewell
Gillespie
Boult
Martin

Seriously though, it's almost at the point where we need to do something experimental because we're running out of openers to throw in there. The two Wellingtonians and Worker are the only guys with a few games who I can think of who haven't drawn the straw yet. We don't have a huge amount of good cricketers so we can't afford to have to choose between say Brownlie and Williamson for the middle order, so someone like Vettori being a gun and becoming an opener would be awesome.

[Hurricane]

Originally Posted by Flem274*

Fit our 11 best players in the team since we have such **** specialists. Dan to open.

McCullum/Flynn
Vettori
McCullum/Flynn
Taylor
Brownlie
Williamson
van Wyk (wk)
Bracewell
Gillespie
Boult
Martin

Seriously though, it's almost at the point where we need to do something experimental because we're running out of openers to throw in there. The two Wellingtonians and Worker are the only guys with a few games who I can think of who haven't drawn the straw yet. We don't have a huge amount of good cricketers so we can't afford to have to choose between say Brownlie and Williamson for the middle order, so someone like Vettori being a gun and becoming an opener would be awesome.

When you first suggested it I wondered what you were smoking 2 months ago but after watching Guptfail and Niclol it is getting to be that he is the sensible option. Serious question can he bat against the new ball?

[wellAlbidarned]

Originally Posted by Cam7

So do I. That was an absolute shocker as far as the technology is concerned.

My only comfort in the Taylor dismissal is that there was a remote chance that the ball was hitting/clipping the leg stump and the onfield umpire gave Taylor out. Rightly or wrongly (probably should have been given the benefit of the doubt), that was the on-field decision that was made. Remove all the technology and, as they say, read it in the paper.

Yeah, there's a good chance it would've been an "umpire's call" one, no-one's denying that. Doesn't give anyone much faith in future decisions though.

[Flem274*]

I also wonder whether Taylor's excessive endorsement was a shrewd move by the skipper. Gillespie has always struck me as a confidence player and knowing his mercurial nature, maybe Taylor wanted to make it damn clear to Gillespie that he had faith in him.

Remember when Martin got dropped and Vettori implied he thought Gillespie was rubbish, and offered him up mercilessly in a test where everything was going wrong for him? Yeah, I don't think that's the way you handle someone like Gillespie.

[Flem274*]

Originally Posted by Hurricane

When you first suggested it I wondered what you were smoking 2 months ago but after watching Guptfail and Niclol it is getting to be that he is the sensible option. Serious question can he bat against the new ball?

Has opened for ND in limited overs, but that's all I know.

[Athlai]

Taylor to say Franklin is one of the greatest bats of the era.

[wellAlbidarned]

Originally Posted by Hurricane

When you first suggested it I wondered what you were smoking 2 months ago but after watching Guptfail and Niclol it is getting to be that he is the sensible option. Serious question can he bat against the new ball?

Vettori would get murdered by Philander with the new ball. So would all of our batsmen, tbf, but they don't score truckloads of runs later on like Dan does. Don't think it's worth it.

[Flem274*]

Everything about Vettori's batting defies logic, and if there is one batsman in New Zealand who I would back to stay in against all the odds, it would be him.

Franklin was my other idea for being an opener.

[straw man]

Originally Posted by Athlai

Taylor to say Franklin is one of the greatest bats of the era.

Unfortunately Franklin would probably see through this. Gillespie on the other hand...

[Hurricane]

Originally Posted by Flem274*

Franklin was my other idea for being an opener.

Nooooo to that one.

He shouldn't be near the test team in any capacity except in an allrounder capacity where he bats 7 and is the 5th bowling option. He will average 30 in tests if brought back.

As mentioned he did better than I remember him doing against India but I still remember his footwork.

On a serious note -I guess it has come to this where apart from McCullum there are no openers in the country. Also I seem to recall that Worker wasn't great last year and Brodie has been inconsistent in previous seasons.

i guess I am just throwing stones here -

my openers

McCullum (basically opening right now anyway)
Brodie (at least he has been good this season and he is 25 so has an upside)
Williamson (he isn't any better at 5)
Taylor
Brownlie
Vettori
Van Wyk
Ellis
Bracewell
Gillespie
Martin

[wellAlbidarned]

Everything pointing to putting Martin up the order imo