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    Quote Originally Posted by Cevno View Post
    Actually Pujara was poor in the IPL TOO.

    And if we are basing selection of the test team on the IPL then Laxman and Dravid should not be anywhere near the test team too.

    And though Vijay is older than Mukund ,at the time of his selection he had played about 10 First class matches more than Mukund Only.
    You don't touch Laxman and Dravid. They're too classy. They would have done their bit in the IPL had it not been for complete and total brainlessness of the franchise owners. Pujara, on the other hand, was unfortunate to play for KKR, who have a reputation for sidelining local talent for foreign stars. We'd all agree that India's Test stalwarts are leagues better than these so-called batting prospects.

    Besides, Rohit Sharma, Vijay (Test reserve) and Raina (current Test starter), famous for IPL/CLT20 exploits, have also done well over a period of time in first-class and list-A cricket, so it gets down to who adds more value.

    We'd prefer a more complete picture, and more complete players making it to the team. Scoring runs against top international bowlers is more important than dominating no-name-no-face domestic extras, so let's not deride the IPL too much.

    I'm out of touch with the TN domestic scene, but Vijay may have played more games for clubs than Mukund, and the selectors plumped for experience, as against kids playing in the frontline for Saurashtra and Maharashtra. Besides, someone named Arun Karthik is tippedas a better batsman, even though he doesn't make the XI too often. TN is one of the better oganised teams in India.
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    Three boundaries hit off Usman Malvi by Dhawan. Some of his offside shots have shades of Ganguly in them.

    An ad came for the Challenger Trophy. Has it lost its relevance? Harsha Bhogle criticised the concept back in 2002, saying it highlights individual performances rather than team dynamics. He was right- Hemang Badani top-scored for India Seniors, who couldn't win, and struggled in the ODI series against England, which was squared. Now, with no seniors (virtually) in the fray, there's nothing to gain for a selection, just a workout for the players.

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    Hang on, no follow-on! I wonder, do RoI expect a Kolkata 2001 to happen to them here? Impossible. Dhawan's already out, caught skying a delivery by Kulkarni.

    There's a graphic here- Mukund, it seems, in 29 games, has scored nine centuries (including a triple and 257*) and just six fifties. He's a hard runner between wickets, and also good on the field. He's worthy of India A/CSK selection, and definitely one for the frontline in five years.

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    From watching some of Kulkarni in very few FC games and the odd IPL game, I think he has all the tools to make it at Test level. His FC record is pretty good and unlike most, he actually did okay after his debut season. Five wickets here, in a lone performance is also very impressive and moreso than, say Unadkat's which came against a clearly under pressure and weaker Mumbai line up who had already been decimated by spin. Unadkat does appear to be a bit of a prospect though, gets big seam movement apparently - action is a bit all over the place though. Kulkarni on the other hand reminds me of Stuart Clark.

    What do you think of the pacers on show in this game, Arjun?
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    I do feel all of the pacers are at least three seasons away from an India debut. Rest Of India, in particular, have a starting lineup pace combo with a combined first-class experience that's less than that of the benched Vinay Kumar. Umesh Yadav sprayed the ball all over, trying to make an acrobat out of Parthiv Patel and a spectator out of each Mumbai batsman. Jaidev bowled well, but his wickets were either tailenders or came by skiers. He doesn't even have the pace at present. He's impressed the India A coach Praveen Amre in England, so it's a good beginning, but four more seasons and he should be in contention. Saurashtra is one place where kids and teens make an early debut. Mithun, who's had one fruitful season, is more a line-and-length-over-time bowler, and we have to see how long it lasts. When he isn't bowling, he's very effective on the field, which is a huge plus, but so were so many others before him. Kulkarni was largely average, though he had maintained a good line and length. The fielders didn't support him at all, with feeble stop efforts and drops. Agarkar, for a senior, and the fastest bowler, was a huge disappointment, while Malvi was an extra who shouldn't have been there at all- Nayar can do as much, or more, being a batsman, while Salvi is a more accomplished bowler.

    All the pacers, however, were outperformed by RoI's spin duo of Chawla and Ashwin. Spin attacked from both ends, foxing the Mumbai batsmen and making them play, and thus, get out. While this is a first-class match, both should be in contention for spots in the limited-overs squad, as they add a lot more value- batting, fielding and strike rates- than the spinners picked for India currently.

    Joke of the day- Yuvraj does not enforce the follow-on, to get a chance to bat and return to the Test team. Surely, Yuvi's made of sterner stuff than that, isn't he? Warrior, certainly, partygoer, maybe on recent news, but profiteer? Not quite.

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    In case of a draw,the team with first innings lead wins,right?

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    Maybe that nonsense still persists. We haven't had draws in the last few seasons of the Irani Trophy.

    The recurring RoI victories in the Irani Trophy (four in a row, before this one, and two before Railways' win in 2005-06) do stand out- what do you make of this? Are FC teams a lot weaker lately? Do they miss their stars so much? These days, even against a Ranji champion team, an assembly that resembles a Reserves XI more than the real Rest of India (who are either on a break or playing for the country) looks- and ultimately plays- a lot better. While it does show the huge gap between a state team and an amalgamated one, it's rather disappointing that a Ranji champion, especially Mumbai, capitulates against Rest of India Reserves. After all, the Ranji champions are a better team than what's essentially a cobbled-together unit.

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    Interesting that you think Kulkarni is largely average. I'd have thought that he is our best Test pace option after Zaheer, Munaf and possibly Sreesanth. He bowls a solid pace and keeps taking wickets. He has done well in more than one season, which is more than can be said about Mithun, Yadav and Unadkat.

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    India's Test pace options are horribly managed and possibly scarce if Zaheer, Munaf and Sreesanth are the best bowlers, and followed by Kulkarni. Kulkarni's largely been effective against domestic opposition, but rarely replicated that success against stronger teams- be it IPL or India-A. He's got an average over 30 for India A, including the tour of England, where he was over 36. And that's just two seasons he's played, as against Vinay Kumar, Irfan and Balaji playing several seasons and having international experience, more useful, and are also doing well in the same seasons as him. Let's not pick too many rookies in a frontline team.

    And in yesterday's action, Yuvraj scored 204 off 195, with five big ones. Now, Jaffer and Rahane are making hay.

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    Rahane gobbled up RoI (mostly the weak seamers) until he was out. That average seems to be shooting up. He should be a regular India A/Board XI player, and the IPL franchise that gets him should make the most of that- Mumbai Indians, in particular, should bat him ahead of stragglers like Dhawan and Duminy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun View Post
    Rahane gobbled up RoI (mostly the weak seamers) until he was out. That average seems to be shooting up. He should be a regular India A/Board XI player, and the IPL franchise that gets him should make the most of that- Mumbai Indians, in particular, should bat him ahead of stragglers like Dhawan and Duminy.
    You take the IPL too seriously .

    For me it means very little in terms of India test selection.
    Mumbai Indians prefer the likes of Rayudu ,Nayar,Tiwary and Dhawan ahead of Rahane because they are better than him in T20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cevno View Post
    You take the IPL too seriously .

    For me it means very little in terms of India test selection.
    Mumbai Indians prefer the likes of Rayudu ,Nayar,Tiwary and Dhawan ahead of Rahane because they are better than him in T20.
    A whole lot of these Indian batting prospects are domestic bullies and heroes, but struggle against international opposition. Be it hostile pace bowling, skilful seam and swing, or tight and razor-sharp fielding, it has levelled them often. We've seen Wasim Jaffer come, fail and go, countless times. Another example is Akash Chopra, who got opened up and phased out of the Indian team within a year of debut, by McGrath. There's not much to suggest otherwise for Rahane. Averages over 50 are no big deal in India, and even IPL finds can maintain them.

    The IPL provides these batsmen opportunities to face quality bowling and they know what they need to do to shape up for the national team. The quality of the cricketers, and possibly the cricket itself, is a lot higher than other domestic events, and these prospects face the same obstacles that have been the shortcomings of many a new Indian player.

    Those players in Mumbai are not necessarily better than Rahane, even in T20. They've just been given the chances, that he hasn't. Only Rayudu and Tiwari are good for T20. Dhawan's largely a passenger, with a poor strike rate. Nayar is a bit of this and that, with not a single fifty. Duminy is a mere price-tagger and not worth the chances he gets, especially ahead of Rahane and a superior bowler. There's no reason why they shouldn't play him. He's still a couple of seasons away from Test cricket, as there's no need for another batsman in the short term.

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    Rahane is a classy player, looks very calm and composed.
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    Rahane gets 84. Yusuf Pathan wins the match with 63 off 30. Outside of that, it was a sloppy match in a now-farcical series.

    Test places virtually sealed shut, Rahane should be a rather easy pick in ODIs. Better than Kohli. Far better than Jadeja.

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    The Ranji Trophy should be split into three divisions of 9,9,10.. to ensure better quality cricket for the Indian cricketers to progress, As the current systems are mish mash

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