*Official* South Africa in England Thread

[Craig]

Kallis is out of the first Test at least. Even manger Gerald de Kock doesnt know.

I dont rate Flintoff in the Test arena. His negative tatic of going around the wicket and banging in the ball in to the batsmen and a poor bowling average of 47. Sorry he doesnt cut the mustard.

Jones has a FC bowling average of 37, and apart from pace, he doesnt have anything that convinces me he is Test class.

 

[Mr. P]

agreed. flitoff is an ODI specialist.

 

[marc71178]

He is defintiely a case where the figures do not tell the full story.

 

[Mr. P]

yeah...maybe

 

[Bazza]

Kallis is out of the first Test at least. Even manger Gerald de Kock doesnt know.

I dont rate Flintoff in the Test arena. His negative tatic of going around the wicket and banging in the ball in to the batsmen and a poor bowling average of 47. Sorry he doesnt cut the mustard.

Jones has a FC bowling average of 37, and apart from pace, he doesnt have anything that convinces me he is Test class.

How much of Jones have you seen? The 7 overs he bowled in the Ashes??

Flintoff doesn't bowl around the wicket as a rule of thumb - he is a very good bowler and hopefully will show that much this summer.

Neil beat me to the (perhaps) surprising tip of Hussain for top scorer - I think he's been in great form and the break from one day cricket will have refreshed him.

 

[Mr. P]

i really doubt hussain will be top scorer

 

[Andre]

Best batsman: Mark Butcher

Worst batsman: Graeme Smith

Best Bowler: Shaun Pollock

Worst Bowler: Robin Peterson, if he plays. If not, Paul Adams.

Suprise packet: Dewald Pretorius.

 

[luckyeddie]

Best batsman : Nasser Hussain (especially if he gives up the captaincy)

Worst batsman : Herschelle Gibbs

Best bowler : Shaun Pollock

Worst bowler : Ashley Giles or Monde Zondeki

Surprise packet : Steve Harmison (surprise if he plays more than once)

 

[Mr. P]

although gibbs has been in bad form, i feel he will be rejuvenated and pumped for this series. i have a feeling he'll do well.

 

[Craig]

How much of Jones have you seen? The 7 overs he bowled in the Ashes??

Flintoff doesn't bowl around the wicket as a rule of thumb - he is a very good bowler and hopefully will show that much this summer.

Neil beat me to the (perhaps) surprising tip of Hussain for top scorer - I think he's been in great form and the break from one day cricket will have refreshed him.

Well he did bowl it in India and I do recall him doing it against India in England. He did fustrate.

And no, I have seen more of Jones then the 7 overs he had bowled in the Ashes, it is my choice to rate him, and I choose not to, I just dont see anything special in him besides his pace.

I hope you never call for Jones to be picked in the ODI when he is fit enough, because that will make you look like a crazy fool.

For starters he is too expansive at 3.57 an over in Tests and 3.79 an over in FC cricket which is again too expansive and from what I have read with his stats he has a problem with accuracy.

And in his last Test he was going at over four an over.

Jones' stats:

http://www-usa11.cricket.org/link_to_database/PLAYERS/ENG/J/JONES_SP_01005610/

And tell me what is so special about Jones and Flintoff in Test cricket?

 

[Mr. P]

im with you craig. you're points are exactly what ive been thinking

 

[marc71178]

Jones has bopwled for 1 match and 7 overs (in which he looked very dangerous against the best side in the world)

Not enough to base any opinion on.

 

[Mr. P]

i agree, i was just agreeing with craig about flintoff

 

[chris.hinton]

I am going to the test match on saturday for FREE, as i will be in a Demostation at the intervial (Lunchtime) so that will be good

 

[Mr. P]

cool, what kinda demo

 

[marc71178]

Against Zimbabwe touring - he's a bit late!

 

[marc71178]

Following the sad loss of his father to cancer today, it appears Kallis will miss the first 2 Tests.

I'm sure all our thoughts are with him at this sad time.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

That's sad. He was just starting to get back to top form too...

I'm sure he'll rebound though.

 

[luckyeddie]

I'm sure I speak for everybody when I say that our thoughts are with Jacques at this terribly sad time

 

[Neil Pickup]

As above