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    Miandad is terribly underrated by cricket fans all over the world. I grew up watching him and as an Indian fan I feared him more than any other Pakistani cricketer. Imran gets all (or most) of the credit for Pakistan's success in 80s but IMO Javed had as much to do with it. It was Javed who was more successful early in his career than Imran but still accepted Imran as the leader and was a complete team man. His batting was not as attractive to watch as Gavaskar's but IMO equally effective. He was a complete Team man and I don't know when and where this notion of him being a 'dickhead' started because as someone who watched him play in 80s, I never got that impression. He played his cricket hard and perhaps that counted against him especially when he gave it back in kind to Lillee.
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    miandad was an all-time great and the best batsman pakistan has ever produced period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fusion View Post
    One thing that has always puzzled me is this “dickhead” reputation that Miandad seems to have gotten on the field (I’m not referring to any of his off-field activities). There is of course that famous spat with Lillee that contributes to it. Disgraceful as it was, nearly everyone agrees it was Lillee’s fault (and in fact most agree Lillee wanted to provoke Miandad). Lilee didn’t suffer nearly the dent in his reputation as compared to Miandad, for whatever reason. Besides that incident, we all know that Miandad was chatty and wanted to get in the skin of the opposing players. I don’t think he did that in an overly negative way. It was skillful sledging. Gavaskar often likes to tell of the incident where Miandad got to Dilip Doshi. Gavaskar “praised his contemporary Pakistani cricketer Javed Miandad for possessing a rare skill of unsettling the opposition by just "talking" and not having to resort to sledging. Miandad had a "sharp" sense of humour and was one of those rare species of batsmen who "talked" to the bowlers, Gavaskar said while delivering the Colin Cowdrey lecture at the the Lord's, London” (source). So again, I’m just lost as to why Miandad is labeled a prick on the field, when to me all he’s guilty of is being a fierce competitor and fighter who refused to back down from anyone.
    Surely his rep as a dick only applies when talking of Aus players, though? Even then, it's unfair; the Aussies will claim Lillee only meant his kick as a light tap to annoy him but then, I don't think Javed was actually going to belt Lillee with his bat either. He and Merv were of a kind;

    *sledge from Merv*

    JM: "You are a bus driver, a fat bus driver."

    *nick behind, JM walks off*

    MH: "Tickets please, ya ****."

    I also reckon had Miandad been around playing now, he'd be just another player (in terms of sledging). Pretty mild by today's standards and wasn't all that bad back then either. He's just a chatty little snot - everybody hates that guy.

    Top player, though. Rated highly by everyone he played against too. Perhaps a little under-rated in the 'all-time great' stakes.

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    Did Miandad make the CW Rank the batsman top 25 last month?

    I'm pretty sure he did. What positions were Richards, Gavaskar and Miandad?


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    He was rated 19.

    Here is the list

    1. Don Bradman
    2. Jack Hobbs
    3. Garry Sobers
    4. Sachin Tendulkar
    5. Viv Richards
    6. WG Grace
    7. Wally Hammond
    8. Brian Lara
    9. Greg Chappell
    10. Len Hutton
    11. George Headley
    12. Sunil Gavaskar
    13. Herbert Sutcliffe
    14. Ranji
    15. Ricky Ponting
    16. Victor Trumper
    17. Everton Weekes
    18. Graeme Pollock
    19. Javed Miandad
    20. Allan Border
    21. Dennis Compton
    22. Barry Richards
    23. Clyde Walcott
    24. Ken Barrington
    25. Steve Waugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie View Post
    Gavaskar record vs WI pacers is one of the weirdest things in cricket history for me. His record is definately bloated by the joke attacks he faced in 70/7 & 78/79 on some flat decks.

    Otherwise it seems as if when the pitch had something the WI would fail him, but if it was flat he would always score big runs.
    I agree and I have written pages here on CW detailing that very problem with his record.

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    Cheers for the list again.

    That sums it all up, he's rated highly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    Cheers for the list again.

    That sums it all up, he's rated highly.
    Of course he is. It is silly to think a player is not highly rated just because he is rated below another two greats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS View Post
    Of course he is. It is silly to think a player is not highly rated just because he is rated below another two greats.
    I said, his not rated anywhere near as close, despite outaveraging Gavaskar and making more runs then Richards.

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    Ben I wonder if the fact Viv (sorry Marshall) and Gavaskar (sorry Dev) were often seen as the most famous figure in their respective sides while Miandad played second fiddle by and large to Imran.

    This could have some barring on the overall ratings of the 3 fine batsman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    Ben I wonder if the fact Viv (sorry Marshall) and Gavaskar (sorry Dev) were often seen as the most famous figure in their respective sides while Miandad played second fiddle by and large to Imran.

    This could have some barring on the overall ratings of the 3 fine batsman.
    Imran was like Hollywood star who happens to be good at cricket apart from Warney or Don I think everybody would play second filddle to him

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    Ben I wonder if the fact Viv (sorry Marshall) and Gavaskar (sorry Dev) were often seen as the most famous figure in their respective sides while Miandad played second fiddle by and large to Imran.

    This could have some barring on the overall ratings of the 3 fine batsman.
    That doesn't stop Ricky Ponting though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jondavluc View Post
    He was rated 19.

    Here is the list

    1. Don Bradman
    2. Jack Hobbs
    3. Garry Sobers
    4. Sachin Tendulkar
    5. Viv Richards
    6. WG Grace
    7. Wally Hammond
    8. Brian Lara
    9. Greg Chappell
    10. Len Hutton
    11. George Headley
    12. Sunil Gavaskar
    13. Herbert Sutcliffe
    14. Ranji
    15. Ricky Ponting
    16. Victor Trumper
    17. Everton Weekes
    18. Graeme Pollock
    19. Javed Miandad
    20. Allan Border
    21. Dennis Compton
    22. Barry Richards
    23. Clyde Walcott
    24. Ken Barrington
    25. Steve Waugh

    Not happy with Barry Richards being there tbh.

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    Garry Sobers is way too high aswell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfdu_ben91 View Post
    Garry Sobers is way too high aswell.
    no.

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