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    The "Shadow" South African League

    In County Cricket this season each County is allowed 1 Overseas player.

    However, by my rough caluclations, there are 39 South Africans playing as non-overseas players. Despite mainly being born and raised in SA these players are playing as Kolpaks or EU passport holders.

    Im not commenting on the rights or wrongs of the situation. Rather the large numbers.

    Riki Wessels
    Andrew Hall
    Nicky Boje
    Chad Keegan
    Friedel de Wet
    Andrew Strauss
    Gareth Berg
    Dawid Malan
    Nick Compton
    Boeta Dippenaar
    Garnett Kruger
    Claude Henderson
    HD Ackerman
    Francois du Plessis
    Martin van Jaarsveld
    Ryan McLaren
    Justin Kemp
    Neil Dexter
    Nic Pothas
    Kevin Pietersen
    Kevin Latouf
    Michael Lumb
    Grant Hodnett
    Ryan ten Doeschate
    Garry Park
    Dale Benkenstein
    Greg Smith
    Jacques Rudolph
    Deon Kruis
    Stephen Moore
    Jonathan Trott
    Tim Groenewald
    Neil Carter
    Ant Botha
    Matt Prior
    Jade Dernbach
    Charl Willoughby
    Craig Kieswetter
    Alexei Kervezee

    You could make a pretty good "No Longer South African SA XI" from that list and there is a fair amount of depth
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    With the Central Contract England players hardly playing any County Cricket and top overseas players only occasional dropping in for a month or two when they've got nothing else to do, players like Kemp and Rudolph are the main draw cards. Unfortunately for every one of that quality there's several third rate journeymen.

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    Moore is not South African is he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris.hinton View Post
    Moore is not South African is he?
    Yes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chris.hinton View Post
    Moore is not South African is he?
    Yup

    Went to a very good school in Jo'burg as well as being born there.

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    It's obviously not great for South African cricket if these guys are unavailable to them, but as Harris showed the Kolpak status can be quickly revoked if international honours come knocking, so there's an argument it's just completing their cricketing education. It is certainly not good for England if the players who aren't registered as overseas aren't available to us tho. However, with guys like Trott & Pietersen (and probably McLaren in a year or two), who come over at a sufficiently early age with the full intention of qualifying for us (for whatever reason, and I'm not naive enough to think it's all for Queen and country) it's a boost to our playing stocks.

    Not sure about the extent of the South Africanness of some on the list tho. It's a bit of a stretch to call Strauss SA-raised when he left for Melbourne when he was about six or seven. Prior's a borderline case, he came over in his early teens but has an English accent & Kervezee was raised in Holland, wasn't he?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Not sure about the extent of the South Africanness of some on the list tho. It's a bit of a stretch to call Strauss SA-raised when he left for Melbourne when he was about six or seven. Prior's a borderline case, he came over in his early teens but has an English accent & Kervezee was raised in Holland, wasn't he?
    A small number are borderline. There has to be that little grey area in anything.

    The vast majority are born in SA and products of SA cricket.

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    Andrew Strauss
    Boeta Dippenaar
    Martin van Jaarsveld
    Kevin Pietersen
    Henry Ackerman (c)
    Jacques Rudolph
    Nic Pothas (wk)
    Andrew Hall
    Friedel de Wet
    Garnett Kruger
    Charl Willoughby

    Would compete with most Tests sides IMO. Then you've still got plenty of others who'd still push for selection in Test sides around the world.
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    It's also something that's starting to occur in New Zealand too but on a much smaller scale.

    Grant Elliott - Wellington
    Johann Myburgh, Kruger van Wyk - Canterbury
    Colin de Grandhomme (Zim) - Auckland

    Plus a number of youth players who were born in S.A now playing in NZ..Bradley-John Watling, Greg Morgan, Derek de Boorder to name a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    It's obviously not great for South African cricket if these guys are unavailable to them, but as Harris showed the Kolpak status can be quickly revoked if international honours come knocking, so there's an argument it's just completing their cricketing education. It is certainly not good for England if the players who aren't registered as overseas aren't available to us tho. However, with guys like Trott & Pietersen (and probably McLaren in a year or two), who come over at a sufficiently early age with the full intention of qualifying for us (for whatever reason, and I'm not naive enough to think it's all for Queen and country) it's a boost to our playing stocks.
    It'd be fine if such non-national-team-bound players didn't have their incomes paid by income generated by Team England.

    And as mentioned, the biggest problem comes not from the Pothases, Kemps, Rudolphs, etc. but the large number of rubbish players who cost far more and are little or no better than the far cheaper English types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    And as mentioned, the biggest problem comes not from the Pothases, Kemps, Rudolphs, etc. but the large number of rubbish players who cost far more and are little or no better than the far cheaper English types.
    I dont know where you get your info from, but foreign players are far cheaper than English ones. That is the problem.

    For similar talent you pay far less.

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    How can you possibly pay less for someone for whom you have to arrange air-fares, accommodation etc. than someone from just up the road?

    Also, some fellow (I forget the name) did his own mini piece of research, which he quoted in Wisden 1999, which showed imports of any kind (be they from overseas or another county) tend to get bigger wage-packets than locals, sometimes as much as twice the amount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    How can you possibly pay less for someone for whom you have to arrange air-fares, accommodation etc. than someone from just up the road?
    Also, some fellow (I forget the name) did his own mini piece of research, which he quoted in Wisden 1999, which showed imports of any kind (be they from overseas or another county) tend to get bigger wage-packets than locals, sometimes as much as twice the amount.
    Easy.. I charge £3.50 an hour for my photography in South Africa.. £7.00 an hour in England.. I am still better off financially in South Africa..

    The amount of money you have to pay someone varies massively depending on where they are based, air fares are an irrelevence..

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    Yeah, true that, dunno how that hadn't occurred to me as I'm more than versed in the vast difference between the rand and the pound (which, of course, is the biggest reason why we have so many SAfricans electing to play over here).

    So we reckon what is untold riches for a SAfrican is nothing more than standard for a Brit?

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