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Thread: W.G. versus The Don

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    W.G. versus The Don

    Annoyed at CricketWeb's dearth of historical threads at the moment, I proffer this rather corny one.
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    Don.

    W.G. set the masterful tone and made cricket better, Bradman improved upon it.

    If Bradman were born at the same time as W.G. though or vice versa, who knows?
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    The Old Man is leading, at least we can say that after three votes
    You know it makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    The Old Man is leading, at least we can say that after three votes
    I fear that it won't be that way for long.


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    And, indeed, it isn't. All square now.

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    There was a Battle of the Legends a few months ago and The Don beat WG in the Final. I wrote at the time that WG stands head and shoulders above everyone else who's ever played the game. As recently as the 1960's - which was long after his death and long after The Don had retired he was still being described as the Father of the Modern Game. It's fair to assume that Bradman was probably the superior batsman but in terms of legacy Grace is beyond comparison.

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    It depends, hugely, really. As I've said before, I don't really think one can compare the two as pure batsmen because the game they played was not the same one - cricket in the 1870s and 1930s had things in common, of course, but there was so much that had changed.

    In 1870, overarm bowling had only been legalised for 6 years, never mind been commonplace for all that long, and that's only one of the innumerable differences. There was no formally organised County Championship until 1890; there was no real authentic Test-cricket until I think sometime in the 1890s or it may even have been the 1900s (I forget the exact date when England and Australia teams were first chosen by selectors rather than the host club, though I'm sure one or both of the posters so far this thread will know). As for the difference in pitches, well, there was little proper preparation before 1900; by 1930 the proper preparation had been around for years and the wickets had become massively flat pretty well everywhere. That's just a few examples of the differences.

    WG Grace is, pretty well beyond doubt for those who know much about the matter, the most influential figure in cricket history. And it's pretty probable that had he played in, say, the 1970s, he'd have been one of the best batsmen around if not maybe even superior to the Greg Chappells and Vivian Richardses. But he didn't. And I think it fruitless to speculate as if he did.

    Bradman, of course, was another of the most hugely influential figures, not just in cricket, but in society as a whole, both in Britain and Australia. But his influence on the game probably pales in comparison to The Doc.

    As cricketing influence goes, WG Grace. As batsmen, no meaningful comparison can be offered IMO.
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    This is were the 3rd option is needed IMO.
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    Bradman never had to face quicks like Sharma and Irfan Pathan. He wouldn't of lasted a ball against those 2, not to mention a spinner like Sehwag.

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    Bradman.

    Greatest batsman of all time, averaged 99.94 which is lightyears ahead of 2nd best.

    Handled England's piss weak bodyline tactics well and averaged 56.

    Captained Australia.

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    who the hell cares about "influence"?

    Don Bradman is undoubtedly the best batsman of all time, anyone who disagrees is just wrong.

    Theyre both batsmen, the topic is which one is better, answer = Bradman.

    Not hard.

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    And also not that hard to speculate that if W.G. was an Aussie, and the Don an Englishmen, you'd say W.G. was far superior, you biased Aussie git.
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    Ah my comments were purely on playing ability because for reasons I said if we were reflecting more on influence to cricket it's easily Grace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bond21 View Post
    who the hell cares about "influence"?

    Don Bradman is undoubtedly the best batsman of all time, anyone who disagrees is just wrong.

    Theyre both batsmen, the topic is which one is better, answer = Bradman.

    Not hard.

    It obviously proved too hard for you as it doesn't mention being the better batsman anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillian Thomson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bond21 View Post
    who the hell cares about "influence"?

    Don Bradman is undoubtedly the best batsman of all time, anyone who disagrees is just wrong.

    Theyre both batsmen, the topic is which one is better, answer = Bradman.

    Not hard.
    It obviously proved too hard for you as it doesn't mention being the better batsman anywhere.
    Would have to agree with LT... for once.

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