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Ashes 2005 Revisited

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
I know that this has probably been done before but its been a long weekend here and Ive spent it going through the 2005 Ashes DVDs and books.

Its been a while since Ive done it and all I can say is 'Wow'. It loses nothing in the rewatching. It is still the most remarkable series.

Boxing analogies are overused, but it fits here. Australia were the classy world champs, skilled, balanced and dangerous. England were hard hitting and aggressive and had a punchers chance. They knew they had to come hard and throw everything agaist the Aussies and risk getting blown away in order to gain the initiative and land thir own heavy blows.

Backed by a raucous home crowd, that evidently inspires cricketers like it does boxers, that is exactly what they did.

Englands strategy seems to be the roadmap by which to tackle the superior Australians.

Ie Risk losing by gambling to create opportunities, be aggressive, don't let the Australians settle into their gameplan and have some luck.

There is no doubt in my mind that Australia were the better and more classy team, but for the reasons mentioned above they were not allowed to show it.

Some other observations

- Injuries played their large part. England being able to field the same XI for the first 4 tests was a bonus but not as much as McGrath being injured in the 2 Tests they eventually won.

- The toss was also key, Vaughan won 3 of the 5 and decided to bat first in all of them and was inserted on a flat track in the 2nd Test. Obviously the bowling of Australia was seen as the weaker of the 2 disciplines and England thought they had the players to put the bowling attack under pressure. They did so more often than not. That in turn gave their bowlers freedom to launch into the Australian batsmen with almost a carefree, recklessness and the batsmen had to battle. England seemed to want to ask all the questions. If Australia could answer them then fine, but it would be England setting the agenda.

- Pietersen dropped 6 catches in the series. That would have crushed a lesser man. Instead that arrogance and self belief so often missing in English sportsmen and often criticised in Pietersen helped him ignore it and play a remarkable innings in the the 5th (and only his 5th) Test and have a good Test career so far.

- For a guy that averaged over 40 with the ball, Brett Lee didnt bowl badly at all. Lots of runs came from snicks or top edges and he often looked threatening. Much has been made out how the new bat technology will make it difficult for spinners as mis****s can travel for 6. However, watching Lee it seems that it will make life difficult for the quicks as well as the slightest top edge flies for miles and batsmen barely have to touch the ball at that pace for it to race away.

- No matter how many times it is watched, the decisions given to Martyn were shockers. There has to be an element of technolgy used. The number of time he was incorrectly given out LBW after hitting the ball could have ended the career of a junior player before it had even properly started.

- This series also marked how the class players performed under pressure, highlighting that what makes the best goes deeper than just ability. McGrath in the first Test produced an incredible spell to destroy England after Australia had been on the back foot due to Harmison. Pontings reaguard action in the 3rd Test was more about guts and determination than his considerable ability. 158 when everyone else struggled and had to face a fired up Harmison that bowled a wicked spell at him. Flintoffs' spell in the drawn 5th Test was titanic. Almost single handedly turning the game through sheer willpower, effort and ability and with the series on the line. And then there was Warne. He was amazing throughout the series but in the 5th Test he produced some of the best spin bowling you are ever likely to see. It was a one man show, trying to claw his team back to tie the series.

- It was a mistake to play Tait in the 5th and deciding Test. As talented as he maybe, it was the wrong time and place for an inexpreienced, fast but wild bowler. The captain didnt seem to trust him and in that pressure cooker atmosphere and cauldren of noise Australia would have been better served by selecting a veteren campaigner who couldhave been relied upon to have a cool head and settle into a pre-determined role.

- I believe that ball by Harmison that split open Pontings cheek in the 1st Test served as a statement of intent and was a factor in the series. The fact he had to have plastic surgery and wore a scar across his cheek thoughout the series was a permenant reminder to the English that 'these guys are human, they bleed like us, and they don't like it up 'em' Instead of having to recite a mantra to remind themselves of what they could do and that they could be successful, the opposition captans face did the job beautifully.

One thing that had faded a little from memory was how much of a factor the weather was. It certainly shortened a number of the games and made time an issue which further applied pressure to both teams.

I was in South Africa during this series and its reach to the otherside of the world was amazing. Pubs were packed full of South Africans watching the games and people Id never met before would wish me luck, as if I was playing. A truly legendary series and Id forgotten the chill I got from the crowd reactions and the collective passion.

Most of what I have written is pretty obvious and will have been said before but Ive tried to stay away from the even more obvious such as reverse swing, substitute fielders and keeping issues.

It was a joy to go back to it and see such a remarkable and competetive series that still amazes and was played in such good spirit.
 
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LongHopCassidy

International Captain
Agree completely and unequivocally. Case in point being my collection of Ashes DVDs - I've never felt even a minor yearning to whip out 2006-07 but I still shed a tear over the Kasprowicz ball every few months.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
- The toss was also key, Vaughan won 4 of the 5 and decided to bat first in all of them. Obviously the bowling of Australia was seen as the weaker of the 2 disciplines and England thought they had the players to put the bowling attack under pressure. They did so more often than not. That in turn gave their bowlers freedom to launch into the Australian batsmen with almost a carefree, recklessness and the batsmen had to battle. England seemed to want to ask all the questions. If Australia could answer them then fine, but it would be England setting the agenda.
:ph34r: Sorry, but can't resist a spotter's badge there: Ponting won the first two tosses and dropped a family-sized knacker when he put us in at Edgbaston in the second after that fortuitous tennis ball/McGrath's ankle interface.

Interesting reading tho. IMHO it's the best series I've seen and I hope it's not just the patriotic pom in me that makes me say that.

Australia's dominance since has cast it in possibly an even rosier glow from the distance of two-&-a-bit years. There was a slight tendancy amongst some posters on here to talk Oz down afterwards as if they hadn't been that good all the way along. Well, they bloody were, you know!
 

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
:ph34r: Sorry, but can't resist a spotter's badge there: Ponting won the first two tosses and dropped a family-sized knacker when he put us in at Edgbaston in the second after that fortuitous tennis ball/McGrath's ankle interface.

Interesting reading tho. IMHO it's the best series I've seen and I hope it's not just the patriotic pom in me that makes me say that.
Oops, obvious error. :) Will edit
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
We certainly had luck on our side - they stray ball which did for McGrath at Edgbaston, winning the toss 3 times out of 5, some crucial umpiring decisions in our favour (especially at Trent Bridge) and key batsmen like Tres & Vaughan benefiting from dropped catches and no-ball 'dismissals'. Perhaps sides simply need that if they're going to beat a magnificent team like Aus at something close to their peak.

Beyond that, the side was at least in the right state to capitalise on the above. It was very settled and, over the previous 18 months, had become very accustomed to winning. Our best players were fit and in form. And we had a game-plan, both when batting and when in the field. As you said, the attitude was spot on: choosing to bat first wasn't only about avoiding Warne on Day 5, it was a declaration of intent. I still think Harmison hitting Ponting wasn't nearly the factor you think, but we know that. I'm guessing Aus batsmen have been hit in previous series that they've gone on to win, but there you go.

We shouldn't really be thinking about 2009, but a few pointers are obvious. We will need a settled attack before the series, so the next 12 months are incredibly important. We certainly can't wake up on 1st May 2009 wondering who might just do the business against the Aus top 7. ideally, one or two of the young quicks will move their games up a couple of gears by the end of 2008. Our batting, OTOH, will probably be more experienced than in 2005 barring injuries or loss of form. But the top 3 needs to be settled, and that must happen sooner rather than later.

The wierd thing is that after 2005, the common consensus was that England were a settled side, most of whom would still be around in 2009, whereas Aus would be an inexperienced side next time over here. Right now, the reverse looks true, and you have to worry that 2009 will be another 1990's style disaster unless at least half of the England side raise their game considerably.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Most exciting series of all-time? Surely.

Talking points aplenty? Could talk about it for years and not get bored.

DVD? Still haven't got the god-damn thing! :-O:@
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
Interesting reading tho. IMHO it's the best series I've seen and I hope it's not just the patriotic pom in me that makes me say that.
Is this the right place to say that I initally misread that as 'patriotic porn'? Whatever that might be.


Australia's dominance since has cast it in possibly an even rosier glow from the distance of two-&-a-bit years. There was a slight tendancy amongst some posters on here to talk Oz down afterwards as if they hadn't been that good all the way along. Well, they bloody were, you know!
Yup. But that means giving a bit of credit where due to an England side, and we know that's against the rules.
 

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
Agree completely and unequivocally. Case in point being my collection of Ashes DVDs - I've never felt even a minor yearning to whip out 2006-07 but I still shed a tear over the Kasprowicz ball every few months.
The one where his hand is off the bat? :ph34r:
 

sideshowtim

Banned
What I think is important to revist is the comments of those who said the Aussie dominance had indeed ended after that series.

19 undefeated tests later....:lol:
 

iamdavid

International Debutant
Most exciting series of all-time? Surely.
For me it just looses out to the India series in '01...only just.

Interestingly my two favourtie series of all time are also Australia's only two series losses of the 2000's....I get the feeling I'm forgetting another loss :unsure:, but off the top of my head those are the only two since 2000.
 

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
Its amazing that in the series Lee, Tait, Kasprowicz and Gillespie all had economy rates of over 4.2 runs per over. The English really took it to them with brave play. Could have easily backfired but they gave themselves a chance and it paid off.

I understand how people think Im overstating Harmison hitting Poniting. However, if your battle plan is to be aggressive towards a superior opponent then you need to bloody their nose early (or in this case cheek) or its hard to sustain that aggression.

I dont think it was a turning point or a key aspect but it was certainly a contributing factor to the victory. Even if others were far greater.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Is this the right place to say that I initally misread that as 'patriotic porn'? Whatever that might be.
:laugh:

National pride takes strange forms sometimes; found myself defending Harold Shipman's "record" in the "Top 10 Psychos" thread in Off Topic yesterday. :ph34r:
 

sideshowtim

Banned
Its amazing that in the series Lee, Tait, Kasprowicz and Gillespie all had economy rates of over 4.2 runs per over. The English really took it to them with brave play. Could have easily backfired but they gave themselves a chance and it paid off.

I understand how people think Im overstating Harmison hitting Poniting. However, if your battle plan is to be aggressive towards a superior opponent then you need to bloody their nose early (or in this case cheek) or its hard to sustain that aggression.

I dont think it was a turning point or a key aspect but it was certainly a contributing factor to the victory. Even if others were far greater.
Agree. Just as Harmy reaching second slip in the 06/07 Ashes set the tone for that series, Harmy hitting Punter on the helmet in 2005 set the tone for that series.
 

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
Just as Harmy reaching second slip in the 06/07 Ashes set the tone for that series
Yep, I wonder if something as small as someone else bowling that first over could have had an influence on future events. Im not saying anything like England winning but at least avoiding the whitewash.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
Yep, I wonder if something as small as someone else bowling that first over could have had an influence on future events. Im not saying anything like England winning but at least avoiding the whitewash.
Only if Hoggard had taken a wicket or two. Otherwise, the Warne delivery that got rid of Strauss 2nd innings at Adelaide was far more significant to the eventual whitewash, imo. Don't forget that until that fateful morning, we'd actually come back pretty well from Brisbane. Thereafter, we'd well & truly had the stuffing knocked out of us and were there for the taking.
 
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burr

State Vice-Captain
Superb summary! I was in America and thus completely missed out except for the first test :dry: , but with that summary I feel like I'm there! :laugh:

- No matter how many times it is watched, the decisions given to Martyn were shockers.
Yes. Thank you for mentioning it. I like to think it's the reason Australia lost :blink: :cool:

McGrath in the first Test produced an incredible spell to destroy England after Australia had been on the back foot due to Harmison.
I still remember that spell and how excited I was.


I believe that ball by Harmison that split open Pontings cheek in the 1st Test served as a statement of intent and was a factor in the series. The fact he had to have plastic surgery and wore a scar across his cheek thoughout the series was a permenant reminder to the English that 'these guys are human, they bleed like us, and they don't like it up 'em' Instead of having to recite a mantra to remind themselves of what they could do and that they could be successful, the opposition captans face did the job beautifully.
wow, that was almost poetic :laugh:

I was in South Africa during this series and its reach to the otherside of the world was amazing.
Well the series result did get a small mention in the Washington Post.

I didn't know you could get the whole thing on DVD, maybe I'll pick it up, and ff through all of Marto's failures. I've seen a few highlights of the reverse swing England's bowlers got and it's just awesome.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
McGrath in the first Test produced an incredible spell to destroy England after Australia had been on the back foot due to Harmison.
I honestly think that must be the best spell I've ever seen in a Test. Although a couple from Ambrose would surely beat it (vs Aus at The WACA in 1992\93 and vs England at Trinidad in 1994) sadly I didn't have Sky in those days so didn't see either.

I seem to recall one headline was "McGrath hurls England back to Earth".

I really don't think Trescothick, Strauss, Vaughan, Bell or Flintoff could realistically have done so much as a thing about the deliveries they got.
 

sideshowtim

Banned
I honestly think that must be the best spell I've ever seen in a Test. Although a couple from Ambrose would surely beat it (vs Aus at The WACA in 1992\93 and vs England at Trinidad in 1994) sadly I didn't have Sky in those days so didn't see either.

I seem to recall one headline was "McGrath hurls England back to Earth".

I really don't think Trescothick, Strauss, Vaughan, Bell or Flintoff could realistically have done so much as a thing about the deliveries they got.
Yeah, definitely the best spell I've ever seen live on TV. I actually fell asleep during Australia's innings, woke up, saw our score and thought "Oh dear....". And then McGrath...Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang! It was quite something. What a cricketer.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Its amazing that in the series Lee, Tait, Kasprowicz and Gillespie all had economy rates of over 4.2 runs per over. The English really took it to them with brave play. Could have easily backfired but they gave themselves a chance and it paid off.
While there may have been a plan to be aggressive, it'd be foolish, IMO, to overlook the fact that the Australian seamers, and Gillespie more embarrasingly than the other two as accuracy had been an extreme forte of his the previous 3 years, were ridiculously wayward. Had they bowled more accurately, it's unavoidable TBH that England would not have been able to score at such a crazy rate.

And it'll be even more than 4.2-an-over if you take Lord's out.
I understand how people think Im overstating Harmison hitting Poniting. However, if your battle plan is to be aggressive towards a superior opponent then you need to bloody their nose early (or in this case cheek) or its hard to sustain that aggression.

I dont think it was a turning point or a key aspect but it was certainly a contributing factor to the victory. Even if others were far greater.
So you think had it hit Ponting on the helmet rather than the grille, and hence not drawn blood, England wouldn't have won the series?

Remember, Harmison also hit Hayden (well, he hit Langer too but there's barely an opening bowler that hasn't done that and it doesn't seem to have harmed Australia's chances in his career) but just on the helmet rather than the grille.
 
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