Unattainableguy
State 12th Man
What do you think? I think he is
Haha, why would Harbhajan not be a genuine finger spinner?He's the best spinner in England. Best finger-spinner in the world? Let's wait and see. His only real competition at the moment is Vettori, unless you consider Harbhajan and Muralitharan to be genuine finger-spinners.
Doesn't he impart a lot of revolutions onto the ball due to his wrist? Can't say I've seen him bowl a whole lot, but that was always the impression I got. By genuine finger spinner I meant Panesar, Vettori, Ramesh Powar etc.Haha, why would Harbhajan not be a genuine finger spinner?
Oh, okay. DamnAll fingerspinners use the wrist to some degree; Harbhajan doesn't do so any more than Vettori or MSP really.
Murali, on the other hand, is a complete freak, and there's no way on Earth he could be called a fingerspinner by the logically-minded.
That question is important to the MSP question.This thread is about Monty, not about whether some are finger spinners and whether they use the wrist or not.
Ian Chappell (and hosts of other people) say all sorts of things about all sorts of players all the time. Kev put it best a week or so ago on that matter.The reason I created this thread is because I remember Ian chappell saying how Monty would be a superstar and the best spinner in the world in a couple of years. His ODI record is really poor, and his test ave of 30 is decent but I think it will go up, and it doesn't look like at all that he will be the best spinner.
I know what he meant, and he was generalising without looking at the actual facts, and he was very wrong. I wasn't referring to who he dismissed, I was referring to who scored (and hence spent time at the crease so as to be confined by him) in the first-innings. It's all very easy to say "bowling at India, must always be bowling at some of the best players of spin around". In fact, it wasn't true in this case - those who are indeed some of The World's best players of spin (Dravid, Tendulkar and Laxman) spent negligable time at the crease in the first-innings, and one of them didn't even face him.With regards to the Nagpur game Richard (cbf'd quoting), I think what Scyld Berry meant was that he confined the entire Indian batting lineup, a team that are usually regarded as the best players of spin in the world, even though he only dismissed three batsman. There is a different, just thought I'd point it out.
Indeed.I know what he meant, and he was generalising without looking at the actual facts, and he was very wrong. I wasn't referring to who he dismissed, I was referring to who scored (and hence spent time at the crease so as to be confined by him) in the first-innings. It's all very easy to say "bowling at India, must always be bowling at some of the best players of spin around". In fact, it wasn't true in this case - those who are indeed some of The World's best players of spin (Dravid, Tendulkar and Laxman) spent negligable time at the crease in the first-innings, and one of them didn't even face him.
Hence, those MSP confined to under 2-an-over weren't, really, some of The World's best players of spin, it's just a convenient stereotype if you're trying to get over-excited about MSP.
TBH.
You are a "nonbeliever" though, in the sense that you have pre-concieved notions about fingerspinners and what they are capable of, and tailor your summary to suit that. For instance, your dismissal of two decent match performances on non-turning wickets as merely poor batting.I'm neither a "fan" as such nor a nonbeliever.